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Battle Ground States, (are they sliding to Kerry?)
Gallup, Rassmussen, etc.. | 10/18/2004 | Self

Posted on 10/18/2004 2:48:10 PM PDT by shoedog

There is a bit of concern in both Gallup and Rassmussen. The Gallup actually makes little sense. It shows that while Bush has opened an 8 point lead, Kerry is up 5 points in "thier" Battleground States. Rassmussen, also mentions that Kerry has picked up the pace in those states in his daily report today. Finally, ABC rolling average seems to indicat slight trend in some states. We need to be hammering hard in the battleground states since Dem Voter Fraud could add 1-2 points.


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What are other thoughts on this?
1 posted on 10/18/2004 2:48:10 PM PDT by shoedog
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To: shoedog

My thoughts? Ignore all the polls and watch what the candidates say and where they go. For example. Pres Bush was in NJ today. Ask "Why?" (Answer: because regardless of the polls the Bush team thinks NJ is in play.)


2 posted on 10/18/2004 2:49:46 PM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: shoedog

Bush by 5%. It would be more but there are a lot of dead people voting again this cycle..


3 posted on 10/18/2004 2:49:49 PM PDT by cardinal4 (John Kerry- "A Hamster Tale..")
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To: shoedog

I dont see it....

Most of the states slid a bit in the past 2 weeks, but that trend is slowly reversing itself....


4 posted on 10/18/2004 2:50:23 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Rudi Bahktiar is hot!!!! Too bad she works for CNN.....)
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To: shoedog
National polls started trending toward Bush again following the last debate on October 12. State polls take a bit of time to catch up to national polls.

When Kerry started making progress on the national polls following the first debate, it was a couple of weeks before the state polls picked up the same trend.
5 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:13 PM PDT by LOC1
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To: shoedog

It is nonsense. Kerry is sliding and nothing can stop it.


6 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:17 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: shoedog

which states? where are these poll numbers?


7 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:40 PM PDT by DM1
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To: shoedog
Relax. Bush is campaigning in NJ today, last poll showing candidates at a 46% - 46% tie.

The infamous red/blue map shows that the battleground states - except Ohio, are all red states. Minnesota is currently tied and I have read differing polls for Wisconsin.

Polls seem to be tending toward the President IMO


8 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:43 PM PDT by Republican Red (A Global Freak'n Test ???????)
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To: shoedog

Wish I could help you but this is a Poll Thread. I am ignoring all Poll Threads. Sorry.


9 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:57 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: LOC1

You beat me to the response. I agree with you completely. The state polls will probably reflect the national trend by next Wednesday or so. It will be nice to see those numbers coming in as we head down the final stretch. No WAY does Bush soundly win the PV and lose the EC. It just will not happen.


10 posted on 10/18/2004 2:54:31 PM PDT by Clump
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To: shoedog

Can anyone explain to me why CA has 54 votes? Is this based on a combination of legals AND illegal aliens? Is there any fraud at all connected with this total supposed population in CA?


11 posted on 10/18/2004 2:55:05 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Yes it takes about a week for the state polls to catch up to the national polls....And remember sunday is topically bad for republicans to be polled.


12 posted on 10/18/2004 2:55:14 PM PDT by Paul8148
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To: shoedog

You can't look at those battleground polls yet. They are lagging indicators. The battleground Poll actually has Bush up 3%. up 2 since last poll. Job approval @ 53% Here is the link:

http://www.tarrance.com/files/Week%205%20charts.pdf

Bush is trending upward


13 posted on 10/18/2004 2:56:10 PM PDT by slowhand520
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To: Paul8148

Most polls are conducted during business hours. Most republicans work. We don't get called as often since we don't sit home watching TV.

But since I'm ignoring all Poll Threads I can not comment.


14 posted on 10/18/2004 2:58:19 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Wow the anti anti-poll people must have infected your computer, opening "poll threads" and forcing you to read them. You better be careful before someone tries to force you to have phone sex. ;)


15 posted on 10/18/2004 2:58:53 PM PDT by Defiant1
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To: Defiant1

I am ignoring all replies mentioning phone sex too.


16 posted on 10/18/2004 3:02:05 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: Defiant1
You better be careful before someone tries to force you to have phone sex.

Which of course, would be... ridiculous.

17 posted on 10/18/2004 3:02:53 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (John Kerry is a nuanced nuisance.)
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To: shoedog

Nah, in a week or 10 days, the talk will be about the battleground states of New York, Illinois, and California. Just wait. They will come into play. The map is shrinking for Kerry.


18 posted on 10/18/2004 3:06:17 PM PDT by slyfoxvirden
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To: shoedog

I still think Bush is ahead in ohio and florida. My big concern is this ridiculous 'early vote' scheme that the Dems. cooked up in all the battleground states. It seems like a scheme for dems. to be able to gauge how many extra votes they need to get over a long term, then towards the end of the election to gin up extra votes by any 'means necessary.'


19 posted on 10/18/2004 3:40:45 PM PDT by orangelobster
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To: Republican Red

That chart is the final results of the 2000 election. That means nothing right now.

I doubt, by the way, that Bush is trailing in the battleground states. Rasmussen has a 47-47 tie in MN today, with Bush at 49-48 counting leaners. And MN was a state that was supposed to have shifted in Kerry's favor a couple weeks ago. If MN is leaning Bush, then he probably has the lead in WI, is tied in IA. The internals from yesterday showed Bush with an 8-pt edge in OH, but I haven't actually seen those. Bush is leading in FL according to the latest polls.

NM is probably is a dead heat and might be favoring Bush. On election day 2000, NM was hit with hard weather (snow) and many people feel that a lot of voters from the suburbs (Republicans) didn't make it to the polls that day, while the city dwellers (dems) did make it. Keep in ming that Gore only won by 366 votes.

Keep the faith, pray for W's victory, and GOTV.


20 posted on 10/18/2004 4:28:54 PM PDT by Mister Mellow (They misunderestimated Bush. Again.)
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