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What are other thoughts on this?
1 posted on 10/18/2004 2:48:10 PM PDT by shoedog
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To: shoedog

My thoughts? Ignore all the polls and watch what the candidates say and where they go. For example. Pres Bush was in NJ today. Ask "Why?" (Answer: because regardless of the polls the Bush team thinks NJ is in play.)


2 posted on 10/18/2004 2:49:46 PM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: shoedog

Bush by 5%. It would be more but there are a lot of dead people voting again this cycle..


3 posted on 10/18/2004 2:49:49 PM PDT by cardinal4 (John Kerry- "A Hamster Tale..")
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To: shoedog

I dont see it....

Most of the states slid a bit in the past 2 weeks, but that trend is slowly reversing itself....


4 posted on 10/18/2004 2:50:23 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Rudi Bahktiar is hot!!!! Too bad she works for CNN.....)
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To: shoedog
National polls started trending toward Bush again following the last debate on October 12. State polls take a bit of time to catch up to national polls.

When Kerry started making progress on the national polls following the first debate, it was a couple of weeks before the state polls picked up the same trend.
5 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:13 PM PDT by LOC1
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It is nonsense. Kerry is sliding and nothing can stop it.


6 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:17 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: shoedog

which states? where are these poll numbers?


7 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:40 PM PDT by DM1
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To: shoedog
Relax. Bush is campaigning in NJ today, last poll showing candidates at a 46% - 46% tie.

The infamous red/blue map shows that the battleground states - except Ohio, are all red states. Minnesota is currently tied and I have read differing polls for Wisconsin.

Polls seem to be tending toward the President IMO


8 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:43 PM PDT by Republican Red (A Global Freak'n Test ???????)
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To: shoedog

Wish I could help you but this is a Poll Thread. I am ignoring all Poll Threads. Sorry.


9 posted on 10/18/2004 2:51:57 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: shoedog

Can anyone explain to me why CA has 54 votes? Is this based on a combination of legals AND illegal aliens? Is there any fraud at all connected with this total supposed population in CA?


11 posted on 10/18/2004 2:55:05 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: shoedog

You can't look at those battleground polls yet. They are lagging indicators. The battleground Poll actually has Bush up 3%. up 2 since last poll. Job approval @ 53% Here is the link:

http://www.tarrance.com/files/Week%205%20charts.pdf

Bush is trending upward


13 posted on 10/18/2004 2:56:10 PM PDT by slowhand520
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To: shoedog

Nah, in a week or 10 days, the talk will be about the battleground states of New York, Illinois, and California. Just wait. They will come into play. The map is shrinking for Kerry.


18 posted on 10/18/2004 3:06:17 PM PDT by slyfoxvirden
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I still think Bush is ahead in ohio and florida. My big concern is this ridiculous 'early vote' scheme that the Dems. cooked up in all the battleground states. It seems like a scheme for dems. to be able to gauge how many extra votes they need to get over a long term, then towards the end of the election to gin up extra votes by any 'means necessary.'


19 posted on 10/18/2004 3:40:45 PM PDT by orangelobster
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To: shoedog
Here is my analysis from another thread on this topic.

I have been somewhat mystified the last couple of days over some state polls I have seen. But after some objective analysis I have come to some conclusions. Here are the things we can look at to get a feeling of how the race is shaping up.

1. The national polls are trending Bush.

2. Some swing state polls are showing momentum for Kerry at the same time.

3. Bush is campaigning in winnable blue states, and Kerry is jumping on the old scare the old people and race bait the minorities tactic.

OK, so what does this all mean? It means you either think Bush is losing, and that the national polls are wrong. Or you believe (erroneously) that he could win the PV by 3 or 4 points, and he could lose the EV at the same time. If you believe either one of those then you have to believe the Bush team has run the dumbest and worst campaign in history. They would have to be in utter loser denial by running hard in New Jersey. You also have to believe that Kerry doesn't know he is in the driver's seat. He is not acting and campaigning like a person set for victory. He is having to shore up support and rally groups that Democrats are usually able to take for granted by this point. Also, you do not see him spending time and money in Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, or North Carolina. If he was in the driver seat you would see him putting on the squeeze in these states. He is not.

I don't believe either one of those things. Based on my perception of pollsters, and my observations of the candidates, I believe Bush is headed to victory. Pollsters like Survey USA want two things. Money and credibility. Money comes through a perceived horse race. Credibility comes through getting it right on election day. These two goals often conflict. By making the race too close to call now, they do themselves a service on both fronts. They get to do one or two more polls on the state, and they have the opportunity to get it right (the best they can).

My prediction is that you will see groups like SUSA and others start to show Bush with momentum and modest leads in the swing states within the next week. They know the old saying that as the country goes, so go the swing states. When it is all said and done they will just explain that Bush had a nice surge down the stretch. That way they milked their clients for what they are worth, and they got close. Everybody wins (except the clients), especially Bush, and thus the Republic.

BTW, when Kerry (won) the first debate and he enjoyed somewhat of a surge in the national polls, Freepers were quick to point out that the EV and state polls still looked good. I was quietly hoping the state polls would remain stable while we weathered the storm. Inside I knew that national momentum always carries over to the states eventually. Well, they did after two weeks. Now I expect that Kerry has topped off and we will see Bush on the up and up. Keep working and praying hard.

23 posted on 10/18/2004 8:03:50 PM PDT by Clump
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