[AxelPaulsenJr]

You are so wrong. The first debate, nor the second, has effected this election. And the third sans a major gaffe on the part of either candidate, will have no effect.

Go out and gas up your car, when you pay the tab, you will know what has turned this election in favor of hanoi john.

[laconic]

I agree with you that absent a major gaffe, the third debate should have no impact. But I think its fairly evident that the first debate was a complete disaster for Bush; he was ahead 6 points in several polls nationwide, had pulled ahead in PA, was close in MI and tied in NJ. In just one week, Kerry pulled even; now you can forget MI, PA is a downer, and NJ is still close. I do NOT want Kerry to win; but I agree with larry Sabato that Bush had better be 4-5 points ahead in the polls to offset union- and soros-sponsored turnout and remarkable levels of voter fraud.