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To: Dr. Eckleburg; UsnDadof8; RnMomof7; Jim Robinson; Religion Moderator; Admin Moderator; All

Dr E,

Evidently, you have trouble reading plain English.

I did not have such a dream. I very, very rarely have a prophetic dream.

Neither did the person who's dream I posted.

The person who's dream I posted felt that, interpreted from their personal experience of their dream that God was possibly/probably WARNING them to pray to prevent The President from coming to harm at some unknown future month on the 27th.

Some of us have noted a rise in such inputs in The Body of Christ in the last few months and particularly the last several weeks. Some feel that the month of Oct that we are now end will end up having had a rash of devastating terrorist attacks across the USA and around the world.

Such prophetic phenomena, whether you think so or not, are WELL WITHIN the Biblical descriptions of what God will do in the end times as witnessed by Joel's Scripture which Peter quoted in Acts 2:

Acts 2:17
" 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

There are some very spiritual, very discerning, very Spirit filled and Spirit led folks hereon. And, there are A LOT OF VERY PRAYERFUL INTERCESSORS HEREON. It felt and seems very prudent to me to have such individuals evaluate such dreams and prophetic visions and other inputs to discern better how we are to pray to intercede for our nation and our beloved President.

Focused prayers in unity and unison have much greater impact. I would consider it irresponsible to avoid calling for such prayers or to avoid facilitating an increase of such prayers.

Jim R VERY GRACIOUSLY consented ahead of time to my posting such a thread in chat. He is well able and within his rights to pull it or do whatever he wishes with it. It's his turf; his living room, his authority. And I respect whatever decision he makes.

Dr E, you, sir, and your cohorts flood into whatever religious thread jangles your sensibilities. You then procede to castigate all who disagree with you as being beyond the pale for whatever particular doctrinal interpretation or denominational, theological, ego driven distinctive you feel all hot and bothered about at the moment.

In short order, a thread which may have been doing well or which may have had great potential for folks of like minded Biblical interests and sensibilities--becomes a dreary drag because of your arrogant and sanctimonious pontifications and diatribes. The distaste you engender is so palpable that most good hearted people just leave to avoid associating with anything you're touching, distorting and otherwise dragging down.

You succeed in silencing those who disagree with you primarily because few people enjoy wrestling with a skunk. You probably pat yourself on the back that it's because of how perfectly right you presume to be about all your tidy little boxes.

Rant away. Regardless of your successes hereon in silencing people; chasing them away from otherwise Kingdom productive and fruitful threads . . . or even regardless of your persuasiveness with your idiotic assertions about what's been posted as you try to pressure the powers that be to silence those who disagree with you further . . . at some point, God Almighty will weigh in on the topic whether on FR or otherwise in your life. You will have no appeal to any higher authority then. I hope you respond wisely at that point.

I still strongly encourage you to start your own thread and have the decency to leave this one alone that we may profitably and fruitfully sort through the vast complexities of the topic and of the world we now find ourselves in.

Most sincerely,


139 posted on 10/07/2004 11:29:12 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
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To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
This is what I mean about your unbiblical statements. I am tired of you taking Acts 1:17 out of context. Peter said THIS (what happened on the day of Pentecost) is THAT which was spoken of. The "last days" means that the Christian age is the last age we will go through before the Lord comes.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit occurred exactly twice in the New Testament. Once to signify that salvation was available to man, and the second time to signifiy that it was available to the gentiles. There is no other mention of it. It was a special occurrence for those exact purposes. The BIBLE tells us that otherwise the gifts of the HS were bestowed upon others by the laying on of apostles hands. This is not some blind assertion from me, it is something I can PROVE. Well, it seems that the apostles died out, and with them the gifts.

Furthermore, the PURPOSE of the gifts is ended, so therefore no more gifts. We have the bible and that's all we should need to convince us.

The bible is God's complete revelation to man - not dreams, not so called prophecies, but the Bible. If you don't believe that the bible is true viz. 2 Tim 3:16-17, then why do you follow bible at all ??

Oh sorry. I forgot you didn't want to debate me because you don't have time (although you seem to have been doing nothing all day but posting here). I was just tired of you wresting scriptures and I won't tolerate it anymore. So debate me on a separate thread or stop misquoting scripture.

144 posted on 10/07/2004 11:42:48 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (The groundswell of public opinion is about to hit John Kerry. and it won't be pretty)
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To: Quix; UsnDadof8
You and your cohorts flood into whatever religious thread jangles your sensibilities...

But that's what your thread advocates -- the emotional, irrational response.

And yes, irresponsible discussions of possible Presidential assassinations "jangle my sensibilities."

Post whatever nonsense you please. But this particular point is important and you defend it foolishly. You should be able to discuss this without all the hyperbole and threats which do not in any way bring honor to JR's Free Republic.

169 posted on 10/07/2004 12:47:04 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: Quix; UsnDadof8; Jim Robinson; D Edmund Joaquin; RnMomof7; xzins
Evidently, you have trouble reading plain English. I did not have such a dream. I very, very rarely have a prophetic dream. Neither did the person who's dream I posted."

I can easily understand why you'd want to distance yourself from your own words.

Here is your entire post #99.

"Here's another set of dreams--a most disturbing set:

1) President Bush is assassinated in the 27th (I don't know which month. I had this dream in July and every 27th since then has made me quite edgy.)

2) I had a dream that I was in a building next to a river. The building was very dark and people were desperately trying to get down, to escape something. We also had to take several pills in order to "be safe". As I went down I peeked outside a window to see a missle or small aircraft crash into a nuclear reactor. I could see the mushroom cloud and the rolling flash coming. THe pills would help save us from the radiation, which was why we had to take them before impact. (potassium iodine?)

Thought I'd share. I have dreams all the time, but these really bugged me. I'm not sure what makes "prophecy" dreams different, but they are.

Here's hoping we're all just really paranoid and no one is a prophet!"

Moments later you assert this delightful prognostication in #112 --

"He (God) will abundantly confirm my words in due course."

You're leading the charge right off the cliff.

And we're supposed to believe you can "interpret" dreams when you clearly contradict your own posts within a matter of hours (dare I say "lie?")

Get a grip. You've crossed the line on propriety and common sense; you're now bordering on becoming dangerous.

175 posted on 10/07/2004 1:25:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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