Huge asteroid to fly past Earth (Toutatis hoax - how and why)

space.com ^ | 04/09/29

[Truth666]

So what was the hoax and who was the hoaxer?
Hoax : it's possible to predict when a meteor the size of "Toutatis" is going to pass near the earth.
Hoaxers : who ever claims that he has proof of that.

[Dave S]

Hoax : it's possible to predict when a meteor the size of "Toutatis" is going to pass near the earth.

Hey dude, Toutatis is an aesteroid, not a meteor. Meteors are small pieces of space debries that have entered the earths atmosphere and burns up. Toutatis has an orbit. This is not the first time Toutatis has passed the earth. They can track it like any other body in space. They know its current position, its current heading and speed. Unless you are saying that its propelled by a rocket that is going to increase its speed or change its direction, why cant they predict when its going to pass near earth? Is your area of expertise astrophysics? I think not. What televangelis convinced you this is a hoax and that you are going to be raptured out today during the beginning of the rapture?

[Truth666]

Meteor = asteroid, if you wish

[Turk82_1]

Bradford originally started out at near ZERO - do you have a link to a table with a chronology of "distance to" and "size from" Bradfield, to check "how much did Bradfield grow" ? the strange shape of Toutatis comes from radar studies of the comet by RADAR How does that work ? What equipment is used ? Now you are just beint tedious. I refer you to http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov, from which you can learn how comets start out as small, frozen bodies on parabolic orbits that pass near the sun, which volitalizes them, creatig a coma and large visual size. The radar studies used a variety of equipment, including Arecibo and the Deep Space Network. You can write NASA if you need the exact model numbers. The visual studies from a variety of professional and amateur observers were used to verify the radar observations. You are obviously baiting us objective types. And you think you are mastering it.

[Turk82_1]

I refer you to http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/neo/, where you can learn all about how Near Earth Objects are detected, their obits plotted, and the various uncertainties attendant on these orbits.

True, they aren't exactly as regular as the downtown bus, but they are darn close. Now, I want you to tell me why it is NOT possible to predict an orbit.

[Turk82_1]

Meteor = asteroid, if you wish

No, it's not if you wish. It is a fundamental error - an asteroid may become a meteor when it enters the Earth's atmosphere, but a meteor cannot become an asteroid. It is just like your desire to believe an ephemeral phenomenon like a cometary coma being equal to a solid body of identical size - you refuse to incorporate definitions, facts, and observations by astronomers that conflict with your worldview. It's that fundamental willful ignorance about astronomy that dooms you haox thesis.

[Truth666]

I refer you to http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/neo/, where you can learn all about how Near Earth Objects are detected, their obits plotted, and the various uncertainties attendant on these orbits.
Sorry, but the only thing I learned was that a Photoshop-like program was used to depict the only "asteroid" shown in that site ...

[Rebel_Ace]

"Hoax : it's possible to predict when a meteor(asteroid) the size of 'Toutatis' is going to pass near the earth. Hoaxers : who ever claims that he has proof of that."

Shoemaker-Levy 9. Comparible size. Orbital impact with Jupiter calculated and predicted within a few minutes of actual strike. I personally got to observe the spreading "dark patches" after the impact with my cheapo TASCO telescope in my front yard.

Suggested Reading:

Orbital Mechanics
More Orbital Mechanics
That Old Dead Newton Guy
Shoemaker Levy 9 Info
More Shoemaker Levy 9 Info
Physics for Dummies, available at Amazon.com

And now I depart this thread, as you cannot teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and annoys the pig. (I just love Mark Twain)

[SunkenCiv]

Toutatis isn't a hoax, it was discovered in 1989, it is going to pass less than a million miles from the Earth, and 10s of 1000s of non-planetary objects are known.

George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

[Truth666]

Your tag : "All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen."
In June we all have seen, as predicted, the Venus transit.
When have you seen an asteroid the size of "Toutatis", as predicted, pass by ?

[SunkenCiv]

And now I depart this thread, as you cannot teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and annoys the pig. (I just love Mark Twain)

:'D well said. :') Although you realize that Mark Twain was hoaxed by the Piso family as part of their sinister plot (in concert with the Elders of Sion) to justify control of all world resources under the guise of the WTO. They're the ones behind the Apollo Moon Landing Hoax. ;'D

George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

[Truth666]

I thought we were dîscussing asteroids .... I mean, I don't mind discussing comets, if you find one with the "visibility" of "Toutatis" ...

[SunkenCiv]

Actually "we" weren't. You aren't discussing anything. And yes, 10s of 1000s of asteroids are known. Bye.

George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

[Truth666]

Precise Distance to Doomsday (today was the closest encounter from 1353 to 2562) - exposed

[SunkenCiv]

I didn't notice before that "truth666" claimed that Comet Bradfield (the 18th discovered by Bill Bradfield, as it turns out) had a diameter of 10,000 km.

http://www.fg-kometen.de/C2004F4/04f4eaus.htm

"the absolute coma diameter measured 40.000 - 80.000 km when the comet emerged in the morning sky, reaching 400.000 km at maximum, decreasing to 150.000 km at the end of June" with a tail of 22 million miles max.

A diameter of 10,000 km would be over 6200 miles. While the coma (the bright ice-to-vapor material that boils out of the comet nucleus) was very large indeed, if a celestial body 3/4ths the diameter of Earth had loped through the inner solar system, even the election coverage would have been on the back burner. Nothing of that kind happened.

http://www.onlineconversion.com/length_common.htm

Now, back to our regularly scheduled mental health crisis.

[SunkenCiv]

Boy, am I gonna miss him/her:

Truth666
http://www.freerepublic.com/~truth666/
This account has been banned or suspended.

[RightWhale]

truth666--somewhat combative. Perhaps made a distasteful comment?

[SunkenCiv]

Chances are...

Google

[Dog Gone]

I wondered why we had a shortage of kook threads lately.

[SunkenCiv]

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