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HP: Appalling Customer Service Alert
HP Customer Service Line | 09/19/04 | william clark

Posted on 09/19/2004 1:12:50 PM PDT by william clark

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1 posted on 09/19/2004 1:12:50 PM PDT by william clark
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Sorry. I meant to include a "vanity" notation somewhere, but it's been awhile since I posted something, and I got caught up in the moment.


2 posted on 09/19/2004 1:14:37 PM PDT by william clark
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Maybe it's just me, but the thought that an item necessary for the most basic hookup and use of such a device wouldn't be included, simply never occured to me.

Never got a parallel cable with my parallel printers.

3 posted on 09/19/2004 1:18:03 PM PDT by Stentor
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Maybe it's just me, but the thought that an item necessary for the most basic hookup and use of such a device wouldn't be included, simply never occured to me.

Never got a parallel cable with my parallel printers.

4 posted on 09/19/2004 1:18:36 PM PDT by Stentor
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I just checked on the Staples site, and they clearly state that no cable is included. Did you really wait weeks for them to send you a cable before using the product?


5 posted on 09/19/2004 1:22:16 PM PDT by skip_intro (I'm a man...I can change...If I have to...I guess)
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Yeah, a lot of models stopped coming with USB printer cables. I guess they figured everyone on the planet already has one and is merely upgrading.

I always seem to upgrade or receive used printers with cables, so I've two or three extra laying around I can send you if you give me your address in Freep Mail.

6 posted on 09/19/2004 1:23:01 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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I buy from HP all the time. On the outside of the boxes and the web site the product clearly says: "cable not included."

Its usually not included for a reason. Printers these days have multiple interfaces, and HP doesn't want to provide connectivity for each method. HP is no different from anyone in this regard.

7 posted on 09/19/2004 1:23:26 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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(asbestos suit) I bought an HP AIO a year or so back and there was no USB cable either (it was labeled as such on the box). Perhaps the purchase price is a couple of bucks lower without the cable, but even if it isn't I was glad not to get one as I have them floating all over my house (pretty much all USB for my peripherals for 6-7 years). (/asbestos suit)

That said, if they promised to send you one, it is unacceptable that they would just say that to get you off the phone, and they deserve every ounce of contempt I am sure you have for them.

8 posted on 09/19/2004 1:24:28 PM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys (Pajamas? I don't wear no stinkin' pajamas!)
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They can't afford to, since Carly Fiorina has to be paid her $70 million in options or whatever, while she is flying around in her cmoopany-supplied private jet.


9 posted on 09/19/2004 1:27:46 PM PDT by ikka
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But am I not correct in thinking that you would have the capability of using the printer in a non-parallel manner? In this case, I can't do a single thing, including completing the setup procedure, without the cable.


10 posted on 09/19/2004 1:32:42 PM PDT by william clark
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Back during the transition from parallel to USB on these
types of devices, it was common for the cartons to
prominently display "Interface cable not included".

Did the HP carton lack that warning? If so, I'll wager
that you aren't the only unhappy 5510 customer.

Even though we've moved into the USB-only era, the warning
is still needed, because:
a. high-end devices often can afford to include a cable,
b. low-end devices often can't, and
c. in any case, the consumer needs to know the cable length.

Cameras at all price points, for example, usually include
the USB cable, because one end of the cable is at least
the mini-style USB connector, if not outright proprietary.

The printer-scanner-fax-copier device market, at the 5510's
price point, is highly competitive, and I'm not surprised
that the bill of materials cut out a buck or so by
omitting the cable.

The remainder of your "total customer experience" seems to
require no comment. I wonder if the phone even rang in
the Western Hemisphere.


11 posted on 09/19/2004 1:34:25 PM PDT by Boundless
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Perhaps the people at Staples are conscientious enough to warn their customers, but the only indication I got was when I looked at the very small-type inventory on the side of the box, something I didn't think I needed to read over.

And again, their setup instructions are deceptive in not indicating that the cable is not included.


12 posted on 09/19/2004 1:34:35 PM PDT by william clark
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Oh, and as for your second question, I didn't wait weeks to attempt to hook the thing up, but it wasn't a big deal to wait for a cable to arrive, since we have another functional printer on my Mac setup, which is what I tried to use today when I discovered the cartridge issue.


13 posted on 09/19/2004 1:37:23 PM PDT by william clark
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Yeah, that's pretty cheap. From my recent experiences, it appears that the USB cables aren't coming with mainboards or cases, either.

It appears that price is what competition is all about, now. I read a piece here yesterday about how millions of Chinese are croaking on the toxins from factories that our corporate officers are administering and buying from over there.


14 posted on 09/19/2004 2:12:37 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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Printers have NEVER come with cables. Length is the primary reason. Do you need a 6' or 10'? Maybe you need a 2'. How would the manufacturer know where you plan to set up the printer? Next to the computer or in the next room.

So it was decided YEARS ago to let the customer buy his own. Try Epson, HP, Brother, Compac or anyone else. You will find NO cable.

Now how the HP customer service gave you the run around, is not right, and you're right to be peeved. But in truth, you had no leg to stand on when you called and demanded a free cable that the box CLEARLY STATES is NOT included. IMHO, your correct course of action upon learning that you were short one cable should have been, to slap your forehead, mutter "Doh", and gone out to get one of the proper size. The ink cartridge problem should be addressed, and I'll wager it will be.

Be well....

15 posted on 09/19/2004 3:00:31 PM PDT by Wingy
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I would agree with you except for one thing. As I've repeatedly stated, the box did NOT clearly state that the cable was not included, and the setup instructions strongly implied that it was.


16 posted on 09/19/2004 3:19:03 PM PDT by william clark
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Check again William. Weeks ago I got a HP Officejet 7135, and the box says very clearly that the cable is not included. There is a list of contents on the side of the box. At the bottom of the list it states,"USB cable not included". The installation instructions assume that you have a cable of the proper length, and gives you the correct method for plugging it in. No where does it state that a cable is included.

I bought a new car once and it came with a quarter tank of gas. I laughed when another buyer was going completely NUTS on his salesman for his less then full tank. Why do some people want more than they pay for?

Once again, Be Well.....

17 posted on 09/19/2004 3:36:33 PM PDT by Wingy
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After spending more than 40 hours troubleshooting recently the damage caused to our PC by an HP-Software Update recommended by HP for our HP All-in-One printer, and trying to find someone at HP Customer Service competent enough to resolve the matter, I found HP telling me the only solution was to reformat my PC.

Time and again I met up with the most incompetent, uncaring personnel imaginable. The hours piled up largely because the software could not be simply uninstalled, but one would have to follow this elaborate procedure that never really removed all traces of what was installed, and no one at HP understood how to correct the mess. Some would simply not reply at all during Tech Support chat sessions and then cancel the session without warning, and some stayed silent on the phone, then redirected my call to some apparently nonexistent person who never arrived.

After writing to Corporate, eventually HP offered to send to me a couple of ink cartridges to make up for my wasted time. They also said they would pay to have my PC reformatted, up to $150. When I explained I've nearly 30 years' computer experience and would not take my PC to a business where it would be further out-of-commission for some unspecified period of time, HP told me that's the best they would do, and that they didn't even have to do that; they blamed me at one point for not heeding their hidden warning that installing their recommended software is to be installed at a consumer's own risk, then backed off on this position.

The "improved", recommended software update removed features and function from a fairly costly peripheral; I was asked by one HP Tech that it didn't matter, if the printer could still print -- ignoring all of its other functions -- "Isn't that good enough?"

Incredibly, one HP Tech actually told me the software I downloaded from HP's website at HP's recommendation may contain a virus, their guess as to why I experienced the results I did.

I'll be purchasing and recommending their competitions' products.


18 posted on 09/19/2004 4:02:45 PM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote 4 Osama")
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A post-script to my initial response to you, by the way, HP never sent to me the two ink cartridges it offered, either.


19 posted on 09/19/2004 4:05:32 PM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote 4 Osama")
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They dont include a cable, so the retailer can sell you a high margin USB cable, Ink carts, Paper, even a new surge suppressor.

I swore off ever buying a Compaq Computer, because they refused to help with an upgrade from Win 95, sounds like you were talking to someone who came over from Compaq.
20 posted on 09/19/2004 4:36:31 PM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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