The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread - Thread TWO!

[HairOfTheDog]

Free Republic has a lot of horse people that have found each other on other threads…. And since we all like to talk horses, how about a thread where it is not off-topic, but is THE topic?

A few of us thought it would be interesting and informative to have a chat thread where we can share ideas, ask for input from other horsemen, and talk about our riding and horse-keeping. We have a lot of different kinds of riders and horses, and a lot to share. In the last thread we had a great time and were a great help to each other working through lessons and training, horse lamenesses and illnesses, questions and challenges and always just our stories we like to tell.

I always have a link to this thread on my profile page, so if you have something to say and can't find the thread in latest posts… look for it there and wake the thread up!

I also have a ping list for horse threads that are of interest, and Becky pings everyone most mornings. Let Becky (Paynoattentionmanbehindthecurtain) and/or me know if you would like to be on the ping list. As FreeRepublic is a political site, our politics and other issues will probably blend in…. There are many issues for horsemen that touch politics… land use, animal rights/abuse cases that make the news…. Legislation that might affect horse owners.

So... like the last thread, this is intended as fun place to come and share stories, pictures, questions and chit-chat, unguided and unmoderated and that we come together here as friends. There are lots of ways of doing things and we all have our quirks, tricks and specialties that are neat to learn about.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What I heard is that "a" juror is causing/having some problem, possibly that he/she conducted some investigateing of their own, I guess before they were sequestered.

I wish they'd throw Nancy Grace out on her head:). I don't care for her.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Yeah, she just wanted to follow the kids mothers horse. He kept trying to get it to take the lead, but you could see the horse back off and get in behind mom. Mom even gave it a tap with her reins but the horse wouldn't trot for more then a step or too:) I'd bet if it did take off the kid would have been screaming. They just don't know that they don't know.

Becky

[HairOfTheDog]

I just tuned in to Court TV.... I used to like Nancy Grace, and my dad had a crush on her - she used to look like a little Southern Belle! She looks a little over-done [trashy] now.

I went through a phase of watching Court TV during and after the OJ trial. Trials are very addictive and interesting to me.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I started watching trials with the Nanny case.

Haven't watched much lately, but my brother got me started again while we were in Vegas:)

Becky

[HairOfTheDog]

I watched the Nanny case too!

Did you want to convict the nanny or not?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Yeah, I thought she needed to be convicted.

I don't think she did anything on purpose or even believed she did anything at all, but she did something. Her whole attitude towards her empolyers is what convinced me the most that she was guilty.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Do you think Peterson is guilty?

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

The Micheal Jackson trial should be interesting. Have you heard, will it be televised??? Surely not.

Becky

[HairOfTheDog]

I think the nanny think was an accident, but that she felt guilty and tried to hide what had happened. I didn't think we should put her away for that, necessarily, and I don't think she was for long.

Statistically, Peterson probably did it, I haven't watched enough to know if the evidence is there or not.

[HairOfTheDog]

I haven't heard about the Michael Jackson case being televised..... I'd prolly try to watch it though, for the circus of it. As much as I could, over the objections of my husband ;~D

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I didn't think we should put her away for that, necessarily,

What:)!

She only got time already served. That wasn't enough, IMO, accident or not.

There is no hard evidence that Peterson is guilty, just circumstansial. But the circumstancial is pretty strong.

I think he's guilty too. But since the foreman is a lawyer/doctor, a person who know the law, I'm expecting a hung jury. Altho they did give them the choice of 2nd degree at the end of the trial. But if they had left it first degree only, they couldn't have convicted him IMO.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Yeah, I imagine it will be a circus on par with OJ. Especially if it's televised. Hopefully some judges learned alot from that mess.

Why does ecurbh against watching this stuff? I sort of think it's morbid curiosity, something we shouldn't fall victim too:), but I have really learned alot about the way courts work from watching. That part is interesting, and nothing like what you see in movies and TV court room scense's.

Becky

[CindyDawg]

My oldest and youngest have an auditory attention deficit, which meant difficulty sitting still and not being able to tune out regular noises like cars driving by, ac cutting on , difficulty with delayed gratification, etc. My oldest got in trouble a lot at school for not being able to pay attention. He became very depressed. I spent several thousand dollars on testing to keep him out of special Ed as it was known then. He tested in the 130's on IQ. I have had no trust in schools since then. All they wanted to do was put him somewhere where he wasn't disruptive. I put him in a private school that was set up for kids just like him and he did well. When the youngest started showing the same characteristics there was no need to privately test him. I knew what was wrong so I started homeschooling him. Structure important and to some extent we followed a schedule but if it meant him laying outside on the trampoline reading instead of crying and falling out of his chair I went with what worked best at the time. It was a day by day thing. Lot's of breaks were needed but he learned it would get finished.

[HairOfTheDog]

What:)!

I know.... I just have a separation in my mind of the type of criminals that are a danger to society, robbers, rapists, thieves... predators who commit crimes for profit or habit or evil, but not accidental... People who act with malice are different than those 'criminals' who have caused a harm, but out of something other than malice. I don't see that nanny as an ongoing threat to society, she isn't going to run around dropping babies so that we need to protect ourselves from her. I often make the same argument about parents or caregivers who lose kids through some act of negligence, like the hot car situations. Everyone always calls for their heads, but I just don't think jail will do anything beneficial in those cases. They'll not likely ever repeat that 'crime'.

You know what I mean? I look at jail as protection of society from a person that is a threat to us all, not for people who got unlucky, had an accident or were incompetent at something they'll not do again.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

That sounds great:). I didn't mean it wouldn't work the way you do it. I think I kept it structured more for my benefit. I think I was a bit scared at the time that if I gave an inch on structure they'd take advantage, and I wasn't that strong of a disciplinarin:). I wish now sometimes, I had been a bit more creative in doing it.

Our homeschooling experience started at a time when it wasn't that popular of a thing to do, and I was still in the they only learn in structured settings.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Well:), I think there was some malice on her part not towards the baby, but her employers. I don't think she did what she did even to get back at them, she was just mad about their rules, that day. So, IMO, she needed to be punished more then she was. Consequences have to be, even when things happen that are not intended, especially when there is anger that has caused whatever.

Sends messages to others who might find themselves in the same circumstances.

Becky

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't remember the malice toward the employers angle on it.... That case is a pretty fuzzy memory for me.

In any case... I bet she never gets another job as a nanny ;~D Wonder where she is now?

[CindyDawg]

To me the best thing is moms being able to adjust to their and their children's needs. You can individualize. My lil grandson is right the opposite. He craves structure. His mom schooling him is not an option. I thought about it but opted for private school though. Everyday he gets green for good, yellow for warning or a red for not participating. Last week he got a red and sent to the office. I told him it cost a lot of money and if he wasn't going to get our moneys worth then I wasn't going to pay for him to go to school. He straightened right up. The principal laughed because she wasn't used to a child being told if you don't behave you can't go to school but Joshua loves it there. This would have never worked with his dad though:')

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I watched an American Justice episode that was about her. She is in England, going to school. No, she isn't a nanny anymore:)

Her anger was because she was something of a party animal while working for those people. Was coming home late at night, then they were having trouble getting her awake in the mornings when they needed her to. They had set a curfew on her and some other rules about things, and IIRC, she was threatened with being fired next time it happened. Her response was, she was angry that they put rules down, she was an adult and would do what she wanted. The day the baby was hurt, she had been out late the night before, had trouble getting up, and the baby was fussy.

Becky

[HairOfTheDog]

I remember that now.... She was really into a group of friends that went to see the play "Rent" every night right?