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Look at Kerry's John J. HYLAND Silver Star Citation (Justified!)
The Bandit

Posted on 09/11/2004 5:56:56 PM PDT by The Bandit

Look at the justification of Kerry's Silver Star Citation that was written in 1969. A fake as well?

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Silver_Star.pdf


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To: The Bandit

I will say of course that the existence of 3 different versions is a serious mystery.


81 posted on 09/11/2004 7:43:22 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Straight Vermonter
You may be mistaken about the date. Kerry lost his original and had a new one "made up" sometime later.

Are you suggesting that Kerry made a paper airplane out of it and sailed it over the White House fence??? Maybe he just wadded it up and threw it over... littering.

82 posted on 09/11/2004 7:46:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: mcg1969
I'm relying on a combination of Occam's razor and common sense here.

Same here. The circumstances of Kerry's odd year of discharge in 1978, the DD214 and subsequent DD215 have come under question many times. That's why this is the only document I took a look at to see if there was anything odd.

We also already know there is one significant error in his paperwork unlikely to have been made by the military, the "Silver Star with Combat V" which doesn't exist.

83 posted on 09/11/2004 7:47:27 PM PDT by Tamzee (Free Republic .... Partisan Pajama People)
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To: mcg1969
"Kerry's certificates WERE NOT FORGED."

It may be useful though still to apply what has been learned thus far. It may help determine that things were added years later. I think it only makes sense to double check that nothing from Kerrys web page was done with Word certainly. I think it is a good excercise. The experts are pouring over the Killian docs now. It will only be a few days and a consensus will be reached. It think we know what it will be. I see no harm in a little exam of Kerrys records as well.

84 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:53 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: mcg1969
Looks pretty good considering the smudging from photo copying. It has already been demostrated that the IBM Selecctric Composer does not match up with Word processor's text.
85 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:04 PM PDT by The Bandit
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To: Tamsey

Errors are one thing. False reporting is another. Forgery is still another thing altogether, a completely different level of deception.


86 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:51 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: gilliam

Just so EVERYONE CAN RELAX, both documents were NOT done on a typewriter

Look, the documents are perfectly centered and both margines -- left and right -- are straight.

87 posted on 09/11/2004 7:55:24 PM PDT by Smedley
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To: mcg1969

Excuse me... you are insisting it is almost "a certainty" that two clerks would have typed a DD214, yet you admit you have absolutely no experience in the military to make that claim.

I told you I hope this gets shot down... but I'd rather it was from someone who has a clue what they are talking about, thanks.


88 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:01 PM PDT by Tamzee (Free Republic .... Partisan Pajama People)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I think it only makes sense to double check that nothing from Kerrys web page was done with Word certainly.

It's a good point and harmless to take a quick look. We already know that someone in his campaign or supportive of it is willing to engage in forgery :-(

89 posted on 09/11/2004 8:01:43 PM PDT by Tamzee (Free Republic .... Partisan Pajama People)
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To: The Bandit
Well, I would say that "pretty good" is not good enough. You should see the latest results over at LGF, they were exact.
90 posted on 09/11/2004 8:32:57 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Tamsey

OH come on. If I told you that UFO's landed in my backyard and conducted experiments on my pet cat, you wouldn't feel the need to consult UFO experts to dismiss my claims as absurd.

That's what we're talking about here. Everyone now has the "forgery bug" and they're running around like chickens with their heads cut off looking for suspicious stuff. Well, I'm sorry, but the simple fact that a form was obviously filled in using two different typewriters doesn't even pass the smell test.


91 posted on 09/11/2004 8:34:46 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969

Yes, your feelings are quite clear.

I'll wait until someone who knows about DD214's cares to comment, though, thanks.


92 posted on 09/11/2004 8:55:51 PM PDT by Tamzee (Free Republic .... Partisan Pajama People)
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To: I'm ALL Right!

No.


93 posted on 09/11/2004 9:06:54 PM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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To: The Bandit
That is some very interesting engraving on that citation. Especially for 1972.

I was looking through some similar documents. Here is an example of a pre-printed form with the dates and name filled in by typewriter, circa 1978:

Here's a citation, typed on basically a piece of fancy paper:

Here's a more modern document, where the name and description are done simultaneously using a program:

Of course, a Silver Star is a significant award, which in 1972 may have merited the extra cost of a professional print job.

94 posted on 09/11/2004 9:23:28 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: The Bandit
Not a good match at all, really. That two documents that are fully justified kinda sorta line up is to be expected, since justification will largely mitigate cumulative errors in font spacing.

I don't know whether it would have been normal for citations to be typeset or engraved, but it would certainly have been possible.

Indeed, I would think that in 1969 the only ways to produce a good looking citation would have been typesetting or engraving, and so that's what they would have done. In 1986, when the re-issue was produced, a word processor with a daisy wheel printer would have produced output cheaply which would have rivaled the quality of anything except hand typesetting or engraving in the late 1960's or early 1970's. It does not seem implausible that in 1986 a word-processed document would have been "suitable for framing" while in 1969-1970 the only way to get such a document would have been to hand typeset or engrave it.

95 posted on 09/13/2004 3:14:56 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: Prime Choice
See Craig Roberts:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1302973/posts

96 posted on 12/16/2004 2:14:25 PM PST by CHARLITE
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