Of course I do -- please stop dragging in red herrings, this comment of yours is irrelevant to your original erroneous "point", and appears to be dragged in just to divert the discussion.
Bacteria will build up despite running water. And not just any bacteria, but the pathogenic organisms that thrive in raw sewage.
Again, thanks for the red herring. This in no way makes correct your incorrect statements about shower drains.
[But then, your point -- such as it is -- applies equally well to the trap in your toilet... If you never bother flushing.]
No it doesn't.
The hell it doesn't. You're sounding like the guy in the Monty Python sketch, who just disagrees with whatever the other guy says.
You're incorrect again.
And when was I incorrect the *first* time?
Your toilet traps bacteria completely below and behind the trap, unlike when you pee down the shower drain.
Behind the trap is sufficient. Your fixation on "below" is a red herring, since BOTH the toilet trap and the shower trap have surfaces "above" the water in the downstream side of the trap, *and* drain the water beyond the trap DOWNHILL away from the trap itself.
I was going to post this diagram earlier, but figured everybody knew this stuff.
Don't presume to teach your Grandpa to suck eggs, sonny.
I see I was wrong in that assumption.
I see that you try to make up in arrogant snottiness that which you have failed to demonstrate with evidence. Are you *sure* you're not a liberal?
As you can see, in a toilet, NONE of the long-term bacterial buildup is above the trap, unlike in your shower.
See the areas labeled "Weir" and "Trapway"? Oh looky -- they're "above the trap". Care to try again?
I figured everybody knew this stuff, but I see I was wrong in that assumption...
[If your argument were valid (and again, it's not) then showers would routinely stink up the house from the effect of bacteria on the grime and dead skin cells you wash off while showering.]
False comparison.
Valid comparison.
We're talking about pathogens that grow in raw sewage.
If you think that your normal shower/bath water doesn't likewise have "pathogens that grow in raw sewage", you're even more unfamiliar with biology than you are with plumbing.
Do you want to stand in them? You want your family and your guests to stand in them? You want to wipe them on your towels when you dry your feet and track them across your floor into bed with you?
See above. You're already standing in them. But thanks for yet another red herring.
[But in actual use, your washing water flushes itself to beyond the P-Trap due to the clean water that follows it down the drain during a normal shower. And so does any other liquid that goes down the drain during the shower...]
Hope you don't use that argument to avoid cleaning your toilets.
Of course not. Red herring again.
BTW, when WAS the last time you scrubbed out your shower/urinal drains???
When was the last time you scrubbed out yours? See above, you've got the same alleged "long-term bacteria buildup" with yours as I do with mine, but I doubt you've reamed out your shower drain recently. Your dead skin cells, hair, rinsings from your genitals and butt, junk you tracked in on the soles of your feet and living between your toes, airborne bacteria trapped in your hair, the gunk from under your band-aid, whatever the dog left on you while licking your hand, etc., all go down that drain. So don't try to pretend that your shower drain is somehow pristine enough to eat off of while mine is a hellhole of toxins just because once a month or so I find myself needing to relieve myself while showering and see no need to step out to a different drain hole into the same wastewater system in order to dispose of it, especially when I'm already standing over one that's being actively flushed by running water at the moment and is already far enough from a surgical sterility that a bit of fresh pee isn't going to make a bit of difference. Pouring my mop water out into the tub to dispose of it is going to be a thousand times worse.
Do your drains ever tend to back up while you are showering/peeing in them?
No, does your toilet ever overflow and run into the kitchen? And do your red herrings ever cease? And if your shower drains do back up because of poor maintenance, don't kid yourself about the level of bacteria in *your* shower either.
You see, it's not just the pee that is the problem.
Is it just me, or does LibWhacker seem to be unusually obsessed with urine?
It's the smelly and dangerous pathogens that like to live in urine that you and your family and your guests are soaking in when that happens.
Then you'd better banish your toilet before it overruns into your vegetable garden and contaminates your red herring patch.
Don't argue. My logic is sound.
I'm sure you believe that.
Hmm, or maybe not -- if you were sure your "logic" was sound, why would you start flinging so many red herrings as if you were trying to flail about, distracting attention away from your original failed points (e.g., your false assertion that a shower drain is like an open sewer line), while introducing a scattershot of half a dozen new points in the hopes that one might stick?