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?What religion was Hitler?
5-17-04 | Susannah

Posted on 05/17/2004 11:14:22 PM PDT by Susannah

Just curious if Hitler was raised with a particular denomination of religion. And, if so, did his church excommunicate him?


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To: Tribune7

There aren't that many Buddhists. When they do get control they are as bad as any group that follows a non-pagan/atheist philosophy

Actually, Tribune, there are 700 million Buddhists compared to 1.2 billion Christians today. And till 800 AD, there were more Buddhist adherents than Christians in the world (the nubmers changed once India re-converted from Buddhism to Hinduism in the 9th century after Shankracharya). So, they certainly had the critical mass to go nuts if the religion was so geared.


41 posted on 05/20/2004 7:17:16 AM PDT by razoroccam (read Germs of War to know the real armageddon)
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To: Tribune7
I agree that pagan societies are pretty warlike - as are most societies. What my post said, however, was that pagan societies did not fight religious wars. They fought wars for lots of other reasons, but the stupid "mine is the One True God so die, Infidel!" was not one of them.

By the way, the last war of religion between Christians was in the 1940s, between Catholic Croatians and Orthodox Serbs. It exterminated more than half a million.

42 posted on 05/20/2004 11:05:06 PM PDT by John Locke
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To: Susannah

He was into that Nordic paganism, the old, pre Roman european stuff.


43 posted on 05/21/2004 2:58:53 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: Susannah

Right. Do they recognize that Communism is a religion? It's worship of the state.


44 posted on 05/21/2004 2:59:50 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: LadyDoc; Susannah
On the other hand, Stalin was once an Orthodox seminarian, ao I guess they will blame Christianity for that too...

There is evidence that suggests that Marx was an active Satanist. He wrote plays and poems which deal with issues of religion, and he was a pretty twisted guy. Richard Wurmbrand, who spent 18 years in a Romanian prison for his faith, wrote a book about it.

45 posted on 05/21/2004 3:09:40 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: John Locke
No war of religion has ever been fought between pagan societies.

Really?

So all the tribal warfare that goes on in Africa, New Guinea, and who knows where else, not counting all the pre Christianity conflicts in tribal societies throughout history, that doesn't count? The Mayans and Aztecs, who practiced public human sacrifice of POWs, by the priests no less, that doesn't count? How about the Caananites, who killed their own children, among others, in the name of their gods? ( Not much has changed, what with the Palestinians and their suicide bomber kids)

You had better check your history.

46 posted on 05/21/2004 3:15:43 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: razoroccam
Most of the South Americans and Mexicans (very few were Incas and Aztecs) that died off perished from disease that was not the result of fighting. It came from the presence of new uninculturated microbes.And while the Spaniards were Christian they did not pursue their conquests because of their religion. Saying they did is the same as saying the Pope is responsible for all the deaths in Europe in WWII because Herr Schikelgruber was born into a Catholic family.
47 posted on 05/21/2004 3:22:19 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: John Locke
By the way, the last war of religion between Christians was in the 1940s, between Catholic Croatians and Orthodox Serbs. It exterminated more than half a million.

What about the Norhtern Ireland thing then? Doesn't that qualify under your definition of what a religious war is?

My point is that a religious war can manifest from very nonreligious reasons. The religion becomes a rallying point, a way of separating groups and solidifying an identity. In the case of Christianity, it surely doesn't reflect the teachings of Jesus. Remember this? "13  ¶And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14  And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?"

So using Jesus as a justification for one side over another isn't cool with Him.

But Mohammed, now that's a different story.

48 posted on 05/21/2004 3:29:35 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: ovrtaxt

There is evidence that suggests that Marx was an active Satanist

Yes, and Hitler's involvement in the occult starting before World War I in Vienna is also well documented. He apostasized from the Catholic church as a student in Vienna, and did not attend church...but that doesn't stop "catholic bashers" from pointing out he was never excommunicated...


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0814730604/qid=1085141282/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-9679983-9036155?v=glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0826414095/qid=1085141282/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-9679983-9036155?v=glance&s=books


49 posted on 05/21/2004 5:11:25 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: John Locke
was that pagan societies did not fight religious wars

A conquering tribe would often take the conquered idols & put them in their temple. The Aztecs used war to acquire prisoners to sacrifice to their gods.

They fought wars for lots of other reasons, but the stupid "mine is the One True God so die, Infidel!" was not one of them.

Why is that more stupid than enslave them because they talk/look different?

50 posted on 05/21/2004 6:58:03 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: arthurus

You are incorrect. First the specifics arthurus. Not microbes, but smallpox. Also, Aztecs and Incas, not "south Americans and Mexicans".
And now the generalities - the conquitadors specifically went after "gold, glory, and God". Read about the pope's role in it
http://iweb.tntech.edu/kosburn/history-499/the%20Spanish%20in%20the%20Southeast.htm


51 posted on 05/21/2004 7:16:23 AM PDT by razoroccam (read Germs of War to know the real armageddon)
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To: Susannah

He was born and raised a Catholic. Had a good bit of negotiations with the catholic church in 1936 and 38. He was invited to the viewing of the "seamless robe" at the cathederal in Triere, but couldn't make it and so sent a representative.
He died a catholic. According to that particular faith's precepts, he probably had a tough time at his judgement just after he killed himself.


52 posted on 05/21/2004 7:25:57 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin')
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To: razoroccam

Smallpox is microbes just like any other virus or bacterium. And the point is that the indians were not killed off by genocidal massacre. The conquistadores had no notion just how deadly their invasion was until it was done. Aztecs were one relatively small ruling tribe in Mexico which country was named for them- The Meshica Aztecs. They were tyrannical in their rule, even by Mexican standards of the time and their cruelty got themselves offed because their subject peoples, the largest group of which was the Tlascalans, sided with the invaders. The Incas were not even a tribe. They were the rulers and by extension, the ruling class of one Quechua speaking tribe that originally came to power over the other Quechuans, then their neighbors, the Aymara-speakers, and then many tribes up and down the west coast of S. AM.


53 posted on 05/21/2004 9:36:07 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: razoroccam

As for the three "GS" the conquistadores went for the first two. The friars and priests that accompanied them mitigated their barbarity to some extent and the Pope declared the Indians to be Human Beings which prevented the wholesale enslavement of the population. The Indians were not killed for their lack of adherence to the Faith but were exhorted, hectored even, to convert. It was the Pope who made it a requirement that the Indians be treated as human and not massacred or enslaved as animals. He put them under the protection of the Church. They were to be persuaded to convert, not killed and they were not presented with the Mohammedan choice of death or conversion. The Indians in Mexico, at a certain point took the religion of the conquerors. In Mexican culture that is what happened when a new conqueror arose. His god(s) was deemed to be the conqueror of their god.


54 posted on 05/21/2004 9:50:05 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: LadyDoc
He apostasized from the Catholic church as a student in Vienna, and did not attend church...but that doesn't stop "catholic bashers" from pointing out he was never excommunicated...

Seems pretty pointless, after all, it seems to me that he excommunicated himself.

Are you Catholic? If so, do they excommunicate someone who willingly rejects Jesus? If they do, why, since they have already made that choice? Just curious...

55 posted on 05/21/2004 2:43:41 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: Susannah
To be very accurate here is a great source article Hitler said "As Christ proclaimed 'love one another', so our call -- 'people's community,' 'public need before private greed,' 'communally-minded social consciousness' -- rings out.! This call will echo throughout the world! The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies are highly respected by many of the Muslims of the day.

He and his associates had a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state. They also considered the possibility that Christianity might eventually have to be abandoned altogether in favor of a return to paganism, a worldview many of them saw as more humane and truer to the heritage of their people.

The answer was his religion was humanist, his politics socialism and he rejected the Catholicism of his youth, except when it served his political purposes. The Religion he personally founded was the SS, a mixture of paganistic occultism and humanism. It put forth the NAZI Creed, "Nazi" is short for "nationalsozialistische" or "National Socialist" ..

56 posted on 08/16/2004 6:32:58 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: AntiGuv
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

That was for public consumption. In private, Hitler revealed his true feelings, which could best be described as "neo-pagan" (although modern neo-pagans are generally nothing like Hitler and probably consider him to have been a Christian because nobody wants Hitler in "their" club).

57 posted on 08/16/2004 6:35:09 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Susannah
A load of liberals, including Canadians (on another forum I've posted at) like to use Hitler's Christianity as one of their examples of why Christianity doesn't mix with politics and has killed more people than other religions.

He was as Christian as Jim Jones was.
58 posted on 08/16/2004 6:36:44 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Susannah
A load of liberals, including Canadians (on another forum I've posted at) like to use Hitler's Christianity as one of their examples of why Christianity doesn't mix with politics and has killed more people than other religions.

Also, though it's a favorite of liberals, this latter claim is simply untrue, like most of their other core beliefs. Other religions have killed far, far more people; Islam, for example. Hindus have always done a pretty good job of offing members of other religions, especially under the moral leadership of Gandhi. And the socialist/atheist religions of the 20th century (National Socialism and all the varieties of Communism) literally did kill more people than all other religions combined in human history.
59 posted on 08/16/2004 6:52:29 AM PDT by aruanan
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