Dimensional Door - Freeople Thread 16

[Canadian Outrage]

They most certainly don't give a damn about the underdog. They simply USE the underdog by KEEPING them poor and then keep promising more things they are NEVER going to deliver. It escapes me how the black folk keep sticking with Democrats as voting block because the Democrats have NEVER done a single beneificial thing for them. They simply keep them poor and keep them expecting to receive something. HUH? WHEN do they wake up???

[restornu]

If you did not get in try

http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/iraq2vediom.wmv

ctrl+c,
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[Conservababe]

I think our problem here is that almost fifty percent of our adult citizens are either working for government, or getting aid from the government in some form ie social security, medicare, medicaid, disability etc or are union.

Therein lies the sad tale of our descent into the cradle to grave reliance on the government ...and they vote democrat.

[Conservababe]

I am curious. If you weren't born conservative, when and what were the circumstances of your conversion?

[Mo1]

I'm not black and I can't really answer that question

[westmex]

I just have a few comments to make on a few things posted on this thread....

1..30 seconds is not a long time to die..

2...The Muslims have been trying to kill Christians ever since Mohammad rode out of the desert...The west kept them at bay for a few centuries by our technological superiority...Now they have a way to take us down for all our superiority....

3....Over the last 50 years I've seen the decline set in...We are no longer a Christian Nation...We have become a me too country...everyone is entitled to what ever they desire at the moment....Rome must have been like this before the barbarians overwhelmed them...It will be worse this time because it will be religious fanatics that ride over us....

Sleep well, it is coming, sooner rather than later....

.....Westy....

[restornu]

I did view it again and enlarged it before it was little for sometimes enlarged it get out of focus!

I did not want to believe it but it is REAL and those are the DEVIL'S children!

I pray his father wakes up and not blame Bush. His son is over there and Michael is here against the war!

How incongruent!

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Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc was the name of Nick Berg company!

What is this all about?

HERE IS THE ENEMY -- they have posted their names
... College, Buffalo, NY Joyce Miller, Professor, City University of New York Michael
S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc., West Chester, PA ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts - 75k - Cached - Similar pages

HERE IS THE ENEMY -- they have posted their names
A.N.S.W.E.R. | 3-7-04 | dfu
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts

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FBI agents visited Berg's parents in West Chester on March 31 and told the family they were trying to confirm their son's identity. On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated.


Michael Berg said he blamed the U.S. government for creating circumstances that led to his son's death. He said if his son hadn't been detained for so long, he might have been able to leave the country before the violence worsened.


"I think a lot of people are fed up with the lack of civil rights this thing has caused," he said. "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."


The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan.


Berg had traveled several times to Third World countries to help spread technology, his family said. He had previously traveled to Kenya and Ghana, where they said he had purchased a $900 brick-making press for a poor village, the family said.


Berg's mother, Suzanne Berg, said her son was in Iraq to help rebuild communication antennas.


"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she said.


Michael Berg described himself as fervently anti-war, but said his son disagreed with him.


"He was a Bush supporter," Berg said. "He looked at it as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it."

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11630502&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dept_id=465812&rfi=6

[Conservababe]

Well, Westy, I am left speechless at your post, and that does not happen often.

Just let me ponder this for a few minutes. LOL

[Mo1]

My local news is reporting that his father was on NPR today blaming Rumsfeld

[restornu]

Westy you made very good points! The Lord is very much alive and well the opposition will NOT win!

GOG
(1) A Reubenite (1 Chr. 5: 4).

(2) King of Magog, whose invasion of Israel was prophesied by Ezekiel (Ezek. 38; 39). The prophecy points to a time when the heathen nations of the north would set themselves against the people of God and would be defeated, and led to recognize Jehovah as King. All this appears to be at the second coming of the Lord. Another battle, called the battle of Gog and Magog, will occur at the end of the 1,000 years. This is described by John in Rev. 20: 7-9;


Magog
See also Gog; Second Coming of Jesus Christ

In the Bible, a land and people near the Black Sea. Their king, Gog, shall lead the armies of Magog in a last great battle before the second coming of Christ (Ezek. 38: 2; 39: 6). The scriptures speak of another great battle of Gog and Magog at the end of the Millennium between the forces of God and the forces of evil (Rev. 20: 7-9;

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30 sec in that video seemed like a long time they just keep struggling and carving aways and he was alive most of the time.

a guillotine has more mercy this took time! Even OJ's was quicker!

[westmex]

I'm going to call it a night....Good Night yall, rest well

......Westy.....

[Conservababe]

Thirty seconds to die is a long time when your throat is being cut.

We have always had a technological superiority. Nothing has changed except the complacency of past administrations.

Yes, we have become a non Christian nation. We have become lax and lazy, even after 9/11.

But, we are Americans, and we will not be overwhelmed by any barbarians, ever.

I should think, Westy, that you would remember that this nation was isolationist before WWII. And yet, we pulled it together and fought to free most of the world, at our sacrifice and expense.

Don't, dear man, ever under estimate the will of the USA.

[ValerieUSA]

I just heard from Mr Right -- when he was at work tonight there was an explosion at his place. Fortunately he didn't lose his house, but he lost the 30 ft motorhome he bought last month, his 2003 Chevy Tahoe, a little pop-up camper, two old Falcons - he was restoring one, using the other for parts - 20 years worth of camping equipment, a small barn and who knows what else at this point. He sent me a couple of pics - it makes mu stomach hurt to see the loss.
Thank God no one was hurt. His neighbors said an explosion rocked their house, and they saw a fireball.
Looks like it happened in the back of the motorhome --- if it happened at night next month during his planned trip to the Grand Canyon with his daughter and niece, no one would have made it.

[restornu]

thank west I enjoyed your input!


Sleep well see you later to day!

[restornu]

My feeling on this kind of duress is if the prisoner don't like it than don't do things that got them there!

If they were criminals I might think this is out order, but these are terrorsti!

No longer am I going to be lead by emotions my view after the beheadign Tuff cookies!

If they caught those that murdered Berg I think degradation and death is do to them!

I would not torture but I have NO qualms about degradation and death!

[Mo1]

Oh my goodness ... what caused the explosion

[Conservababe]

Well, what in the world would cause an explosion in a motor home?

Thank goodness, no one was in it at the time.

[Mo1]

Sleep well, it is coming, sooner rather than later....

Well gee there is a cheery thought *L*

Sweet Dreams West

[restornu]

Propane

[restornu]

A frame of video footage posted to an Islamist Web site that shows someone, identified on the video as Nicholas Berg, being killed.


BEHIND THE HEADLINES
Videotaped execution of U.S. Jew
may not shake commitment in Iraq
By Joe Berkofsky



NEW YORK, May 11 (JTA) — The videotaped execution of an American Jewish civilian contractor in Iraq shook members of the Jewish community, but not their commitment to the war on terrorism.
A video that surfaced on the Internet on Tuesday showed the decapitation by masked Iraqis of Nicholas Berg, 26, of West Chester, Pa. The grisly scene echoed the 2002 murder in Pakistan of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was forced to admit his Jewishness on tape just before his captors cut off his head.

It wasn’t clear whether Berg was targeted because of his religion. In the video, posted on a Web site linked to Al-Qaida, Berg is seen saying, “My name is Nick Berg, my father’s name is Michael, my mother’s name is Susan . . . I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah.”

Several Jewish leaders and military families said the incident shouldn’t dissuade Jewish soldiers and civilians from serving in Iraq.

“Should people think twice or should we continue this?” asked Judy Ledger, whose son and daughter — and their spouses — all served with the U.S. military in Iraq. “You do have to realize there’s a danger, but the danger is no more if you’re in the military than if there is a hate crime” in the United States.

Several sources said Berg’s murder — as well as Tuesday’s videotaped killing of six Israeli soldiers by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip — should deepen the commitment of Jews and other Americans to the war on terrorism.

“This is an evil force that has no moral compunction at all,” said Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

Referring to the video showing an Iraqi holding Berg’s severed head aloft and shouting, “Allahu akbar,” or “God is great” — and footage of Palestinian militants proudly displaying an Israeli soldier’s head and other body parts — Hoenlein said the two cases point to the same enemy.

“Their barbarism could not be more clear after today. On both fronts it’s the same menace,” he said.

Joseph Kashnow agrees. An Army Cavalry scout stationed in Baghdad, Kashnow’s right leg was nearly blown off by a homemade land mine last September. He has spent months undergoing operations and therapy — yet he says he’s as sure as ever that the war is just.

As an American Jewish soldier in Baghdad, Kashnow knew better than to pursue one particular conversation with a local man.

“He said, ‘Saddam wasn’t so bad, at least he wasn’t Jewish,’ ” recalled Kashnow, 25. “Not a person I wanted to continue having a chat with.”

It’s not clear whether Berg’s Jewish background played a role in his fate. On the video, Berg’s captors said the killing was to avenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.

“It’s certainly possible there are people” in Iraq “who would feel it was a ‘two-mints-in-one’ to get an American and a Jew,” Kashnow said.

Regardless, Berg “was still an innocent civilian who was slaughtered, whether he was Jewish, black, or Asian,” Kashnow said. “He was fighting to rebuild the country and make it safe for freedom. It’s still a tragedy.”

Shoshana Bryen, director of special projects for the Washington-based Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, said it makes sense that Jews would be targeted in Iraq.

“There are people in these countries who are looking to kill people who are members of certain groups,” Bryen said. “The two at the top of the list are Americans and Jews.”

The parents of Daniel Pearl, who immigrated to Los Angeles in the 1960s from Israel, prepared a statement for the media after news of Berg’s killing circulated Tuesday.

“We have heard from the news about the videotape showing the tragic death of Nicholas Berg in Iraq. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends at this extremely difficult time,” the statement said.

“Our heart goes out to them. Kidnapping, torture, humiliation and murder must have no place in this world,” the statement went on. “We call on people of principle around the world to help stop the madness and take a stand for humanity.”

Ironically, Berg’s father, Michael, and his small business, Prometheus Methods Tower Service Inc., were listed as endorsers of a coalition called Act Now to Stop War and End Racism. The coalition opposed the Iraq war, though Nicholas Berg reportedly supported it.

Berg was in Iraq as a freelance contractor working to repair communications antennae, The Associated Press reported. His family members said they had known of their son’s death since the weekend but did not know of the video until it surfaced this week.

The family last heard from Berg on April 9, as he was preparing to return to the United States via Jordan. U.S. officials recovered Berg’s remains May 8.

The Bush administration and others voiced outrage at Berg’s killing and vowed to pursue his killers. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, said Berg’s killers “will not prevail.”

Berg’s friends and neighbors were devastated to learn of his fate. Reached by phone, Berg’s parents declined to comment on their son’s death.

The circumstances of his capture are unknown.

“Nick was probably one of the most amazing men I’ve ever met,” said Aaron Spool, a friend of Berg’s since they were in the seventh grade. “He just touched everyone’s life. West Chester is going to be a much emptier place without him. He was good man, a good Jew. It’s tough. It’s very hard.”

Glenn Brown, a friend of the Spool family who occasional would have Shabbat meals with Berg in West Chester, recalled the young man as being “a sincere individual.”

He said, “It is a huge tragedy and loss. He seemed hard-working and industrious.”

Burt Siegel, director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of the Philadelphia Jewish federation, said, “It is absolutely sickening that this man was singled out for being an American.”

“Obviously, you don’t have to be a Jew for these people to murder you.”

(JTA Washington bureau chief Ron Kampeas, JTA staff writer Matthew E. Berger in Washington and the Philadelphia Jewish Exponent contributed to this report.)

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=14076&intcategoryid=4