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Basis of Christianity is bloodily sodden with hatred of the Jews (Leading Belfast journo on Passion)
The Belfast Telegraph ^ | 04 March 2004 | Eamonn McCann

Posted on 03/06/2004 8:17:26 AM PST by Joblie

MEL GIBSON says that his film, The Passion of the Christ, is a faithful representation of the biblical story of Jesus' trial and execution. He also says the movie isn't anti-Semitic. He cannot be right on both counts.

The New Testament is, among other things, an anti-Semitic tract. It is the source of the anti-Semitism which has characterised Christianity for two millennia.

If the film isn't anti-Semitic, it's out of line with the Gospel. In face of complaints from US Jewish leaders, Gibson removed from the film's sub-titles - although not from the Aramaic sound-track - the response of the Jews to Pilate's hand-washing disavowal of blame for sending Jesus to be crucified: "His blood be upon us and our children."

But why? The quote is there in Matthew 27:25. Its meaning is clear and has been fulfilled in unspeakable ways down the ages.

Luke 23:28-29 gives the same point a more vicious twist, depicting Jesus telling weeping women he encounters on the Way of the Cross: "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me but for yourselves and your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck!'"

Better for Jews that they'd never been born, then.

There's been no shortage of Christians ever since to ram this murderous message home to Jewish neighbours.

John's Gospel (8:44) has Jesus telling the Jews they are descended neither from God nor from Abraham but are children of the Devil.

The early Fathers of the Church took inspiration from the Bible as they preached hatred of the Jews.

In the works of Tertullian, Justin, John Chrysostom, etc., Jews are relentlessly libelled... the obscene Jew, the Satanic Jew, the murderer-of-God Jew, the whoremonger Jew, etc.

And so it continued. Pope after Pope, Council after Council, confirmed and codified the subhuman status of the Jews.

Every century is pock-marked by examples. (Council of Toledo, 694: Jews living in Spain declared slaves, possessions confiscated, all children removed from them at seven and prepared for marriage to Christians.)

Hitler didn't suck the idea of Jews wearing yellow badges out of his thumb. He took it from the Fourth Lateran Council of 1215.

The Nazi persecution can be seen as a practical expression of traditional Christian attitudes to Jews.

"From the beginning until the end of Hitler's rule, the bishops never tired of admonishing the faithful to accept his government," Guenter Lewy recalled in "The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany."

Individual Catholic clerics who opposed the Nazis' anti-Semitism were a tiny minority, totally unrepresentative.

Catholic apologists concede now that the Vatican and the German bishops should have given stronger, more courageous leadership.

But this is dodging the issue. One of the reasons they didn't is that, by and large, they agreed with the Nazis.

From its beginning, Protestantism was as bad. The editor of the Nazi hate-sheet "Der Sturmer," Julius Streich, cited Martin Luther, reasonably, in a plea of justification at Nuremberg.

In his disgusting treatise "On the Jews and their Lies" in 1543, Luther had called for the fire-bombing of synagogues, the demolition of Jewish homes, the silencing of rabbis, the banning of Jews from public places, the confiscation of Jewish property and the enslavement of "all strong young Jews and Jewesses."

Christian hymns provided the theme music for the Holocaust.

Even after the gates were flung open on the horrors of Auschwitz, Christian teachers, in Ireland as elsewhere, continued to instruct infants that the scattering of the Jews and the persecutions they endured were punishment for the killing of the Christ.

Argument over Gibson's blockbuster gore-fest diverts attention from what's important.

If the film fuels anti-Semitism, it's to be condemned, irrespective of its merits as a movie.

But let's not allow a satisfying controversy obscure the fact that the founding text of Christianity is bloodily sodden with hatred of Jews.


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To: Joblie
Matthew 11:6

"...God blesses those who are not offended by me."

-- Joe
41 posted on 03/06/2004 8:58:16 AM PST by Joe Republc
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To: DestroytheDemocrats
"In his disgusting treatise "On the Jews and their Lies" in 1543, Luther had called for the fire-bombing of synagogues, the demolition of Jewish homes, the silencing of rabbis, the banning of Jews from public places, the confiscation of Jewish property and the enslavement of "all strong young Jews and Jewesses."
True. Luther writes: "First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know."


So you are very well versed in Christianity? Where is it WRITTEN by our Heavenly Father that Christians do these things? You see again you have your big paint brush out doing exactly what was demanded to be removed from Mel's film.

Now Christians are to follow Christ...... not a man, Luther!

Try real hard to understand that concept.
42 posted on 03/06/2004 8:58:21 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Joblie
I see he stubled out of the pub just long enough to write an article.
43 posted on 03/06/2004 8:58:59 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Joblie
Almost refreshing to see someone out of the closet on this one. In his mind Christianity is anti-Semitc and hateful. And anyone who takes it seriously must be so as well. Period.

I was getting annoyed at all the others who pretty clearly believe the same thing but dance around admitting it.

This still has to be the most interesting outcome of Mel Gibson's movie. It is bringing the anti-Christians out of the woodwork. Imagine an article of this tone condeming Judaism, and you'd expect to find it published in Saudi Arabia.

44 posted on 03/06/2004 8:59:00 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: international american
"..The movie is strengthening our faith."


The reaction is also making clearer who is opposed to the Gospel.

-- Joe
45 posted on 03/06/2004 8:59:34 AM PST by Joe Republc
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To: Joblie
Yeah, we Christians are all a bunch of Jew hating, murdering, raping, piliaging neanderthals.

Funny, but the only anti-semitism I see around is coming from the liberal, self loathing Jews who are taking the side of the Palestinians, and the secular God haters.

46 posted on 03/06/2004 8:59:40 AM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: Joblie
It's a sad business. Ireland stayed true to its faith through hundreds of years of savage persecution. Then when the lid finally came off, they decided to join the modern world. They are busy following Europe down the tubes of faithlessness and secular nihilism. Trading in their birthright for a mess of potage.

I hope it doesn't go all the way, but the signs are not good. This is a Belfast paper, but the man's name certainly suggests that he is of Irish Catholic extraction.
47 posted on 03/06/2004 9:00:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Just mythoughts
Question is what is the deception?

Personally, I believe it is the notion that we can achieve heaven on earth, or that if only we had a "Christian" government (i.e. a theocracy, as opposed to a secular government inhabited by Christians, which is something different) it would solve all our problems.

48 posted on 03/06/2004 9:00:18 AM PST by wimpycat ("Black holes are where God divided by zero.")
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To: Miss Marple
When I say "they" I am referring to individuals like this critic and others who have responded in an over-the-top hysteria about this movie.

You know, some people would mistake your "they" to mean "Jews in general."

The Krauthammer thread has been a real eye-popper for me. It's a distressing hub-bub.

49 posted on 03/06/2004 9:02:16 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: wimpycat
Correct. Our lives need to be a theocracy. Our nation does not.
50 posted on 03/06/2004 9:03:20 AM PST by freebilly
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To: McGavin999
"Yeah, we Christians are all a bunch of Jew hating, murdering, raping, piliaging neanderthals.
Funny, but the only anti-semitism I see around is coming from the liberal, self loathing Jews who are taking the side of the Palestinians, and the secular God haters."

Whittaker Chambers called it the other great religion in his letter to his children re: communism. Been with us since the beginning.... "we are gods".


51 posted on 03/06/2004 9:03:57 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: freebilly
Exactly. A mental high-five to you.
52 posted on 03/06/2004 9:04:10 AM PST by wimpycat ("Black holes are where God divided by zero.")
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To: freebilly
"Yeah, there's certainly been a rash of synagogues burning in America since The Passion came out...."

In last June's Los Angeles Times editorial piece, Mel's Passion, Rabbi Marvin Hier wrote:

"Globally, antisemitism is at its highest peak since the end of World War II. Synagogues and Jewish schools have been firebombed and Jews beaten on the streets of France and Belgium. According to some recent polls, 17% of Americans (up from 12% five years ago) hold to political and economic stereotypes about Jews; 37% hold Jews responsible for the death of Jesus. On the Internet as well as in print media around the world, the new demonization of Israelis as Nazi-like oppressors is fusing with the old libel of the Jews as "Christ killers." A cartoon in the Italian newspaper La Stampa (see above left) depicted an Israeli tank rolling up to a manger with little baby Jesus staring up in horror and crying out, 'Do you want to kill me once more?'" Source Simon Wiesenthal Center

53 posted on 03/06/2004 9:11:22 AM PST by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: freebilly
"Yeah, there's certainly been a rash of synagogues burning in America since The Passion came out...."

In last June's Los Angeles Times editorial piece, Mel's Passion, Rabbi Marvin Hier wrote:

"Globally, antisemitism is at its highest peak since the end of World War II. Synagogues and Jewish schools have been firebombed and Jews beaten on the streets of France and Belgium. According to some recent polls, 17% of Americans (up from 12% five years ago) hold to political and economic stereotypes about Jews; 37% hold Jews responsible for the death of Jesus. On the Internet as well as in print media around the world, the new demonization of Israelis as Nazi-like oppressors is fusing with the old libel of the Jews as "Christ killers." A cartoon in the Italian newspaper La Stampa (see above left) depicted an Israeli tank rolling up to a manger with little baby Jesus staring up in horror and crying out, 'Do you want to kill me once more?'" Source Simon Wiesenthal Center

54 posted on 03/06/2004 9:11:23 AM PST by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: wimpycat
Thanks for the help with the C.S. Lewis quote
55 posted on 03/06/2004 9:14:13 AM PST by VOA
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To: Joblie
Most of Hitler's beliefs, if not all of them, were derived from Teutonic paganism or Druidism. He merely used Christianity as a front to maintain his moral guise (note to attentive Freepers - there's a shiny new dime waiting for anyone who can draw the modern parallel to that last sentence).

The real proof is in the pudding. Let's see a show of hands - how many Freepers here are Zionist Christians (Christians who believe that Israel has a right to exist)? Wow, look at the hands go up. And I'm a Gentile, I've got hard evidence in my lap to prove it (Please, Mr. Moderator, it is a gentle joke).

56 posted on 03/06/2004 9:16:03 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: wimpycat
Well I do agree in part, however, more to the picture note these words

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them;

because when I called, none did answer;

when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before MINE eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

[from the old a second witness is given in the new]

and for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie;

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
57 posted on 03/06/2004 9:16:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Miss Marple
I am now convinced that they are trying to make Christianity socially unacceptable. They want to make us ashamed of our faith. They won't be happy until we are back in the catacombs.

Beautiful! Let them do so, for the value of the faith will increase by leaps and bounds because of their actions.


58 posted on 03/06/2004 9:16:44 AM PST by rdb3 (The Servant of Jehovah is the Christ of Calvary and of the empty tomb.)
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To: DestroytheDemocrats
How much of the anti-semitism is from non-Christians?
59 posted on 03/06/2004 9:19:19 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Joe Republc
Correct!
60 posted on 03/06/2004 9:21:33 AM PST by international american (Tagline!!)
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