When UFOs Arrive

www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

[Quix]

I quite agree.

I assume you saw the message about it being someone using a special satellite weapon to create them from any image on his computer.

I don't know about that. But I'm fairly certain we'd have some sort of capacity in that ball park of ability. Have seen too much about special satellite capacities to think nothing is there.

I had a dear friend from India call me today from Korea all concerned about my spiritual if not mental health for forwarding him the end of the world doc in this thread. He's been delivered dramatically from being heavily into the occult. He was concerned that I'd be anywhere near such things.

I'd rather not be. Have long felt God had some of us to cry an alert well before evidence was it's own alert.

In any case, the days are getting darker. Praise God He will raise up a standard against the evil.

[Cvengr]

On the inside of whatever group might control the process or technology to produce the crop circles. I suspect they are byproducts of calibrating an EMF device from a far distance.

[Cvengr]

Some word studies in Greek and Hebrew might help edify the anthropology of man. There is life in the body, soul and spirit of the believer. They are also not always cojoined.

Empiricism and rationalism have engrained many modern day thought processes into assuming we are not man without being a body and soul together.

Existentialism shares that concept, although it is not the case that when the body dies, that the soul ceases to exist. The soul of the unbeliever descends to the Torments, associated in ancient literature with Hades in the Greek or Sheol on the Hebrew as a deep place or the underworld. The soul and spirit of the believer today ascends to heaven, face to face with the Lord today in an interim body until the resurrection.

Your language is correct in that we are souls. We are also described as bodies and as reborn in the spirit, in a fashion similar to how God is known to us by three persons, yet they are one God. Anthropologically, the reborn man is composed of body, soul and spirit and while in fellowship with God, we are also indwelt by Him.

The significant verbage in the 'secret document' misplaced the spirit and the body, with regards to the believer. The believer in fellowship with God through Christ, is now adopted by God into a royal family in the Church Age, not mentioned in the Old Testament. The Church Age believer now by faith through Jesus Christ, is indwelt by all three members of the Godhead. The believer today is not able to have his soul attacked by demon possession, although postsalvation sins can allow the believer to slip out of fellowship with God and allow a situation to arise where demon influence occurs.

The 'secret document' implies a spirit is attached to the body and to an unbeliever witnessing or testing demonic activity, might indeed witness or understand a fellow unbeliever if that person becomes possessed by a demon to indeed prove a spirit is attached to the body. What it fails to explain is how Scripture already provides guidance on these issues from the point of view of a Living God.

It wouldn't surprise me if somebody in a position of governmental authority, seeking and maintaining their worldly power structure, believing in an empirical fashion, could easily be deceived by malevolently deceiving demons, identified as merely ET aliens, would study and conclude the contents of the 'secret document' and even further conclude that mankind is not prepared for exposure to such beings, and then conduct occultic conspiracy to avoid any public announcement of the phenomena. The first consequence of stepping out of fellowship with God is a level of arrogance acting independently of Him. All consistent with the entire UFO legend/myth/CT. (IMHO)

[Betwixte]

Calm is better than a lot of other options.

Good idea. What am I supposed to do? Rant and rave about being abducted by aliens? Sheesh! It'd be a good way to loose everything and become homeless.

Last night I may have been abducted, though. Perhaps it was a result of even bring up the subect. It seemed as if I landed in my bed with such a thump that the house shook, but that doesn't make sense.

What makes more sense is that there was a mini-earthquake in my local area that woke me up and I had a dream about it all.

[Betwixte]

I had encountered a ufo eleven years ago in broad daylight. I also had a dream back in '93 of them following me into my house and suddenly when I go to hide I can't move. I am frozen as they are hovering over me while I am in my pajamas. It seems they had paralyzed me for that moment. I could think but could not move. I woke up from the dream and noticed I was wearing the same thing. Several years ago, my brother encountered one that was following him while he was driving all the home and scared the living crap out of him. To this day, it shakes him up to talk about it. He never reported it because he was very concerned of being threatened by our government. These DO exist. Whether they pose a serious threat to our national security, I am unsure.

A lot of people have these stories. It's hard to believe that they are all made up. My parents saw a UFO around the early 60's. I'll ask them about it again, next time we talk.

[Quix]

HHHMMMMM

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CONTACT BUDD HOPKINS OR SOME SUCH AND ENQUIRE ABOUT A SUPPORT GROUP IN YOUR AREA.

If things really are actively impacting your consciousness, it would be reasonable to get some support and encouragement regardless of how well you are handling it.

Prayers for you.

Please keep us posted--am available by FREEPMAIL if you prefer.

Blessings,

[Betwixte]

I think you're ignoring a situation where "extraterrestrials" might be evil, but only according to our definition of such. IOW, they might be "neutral", as in evil in some cases, but not in others, yet still want to pursue whatever it is that they want to.

They may be a tribe whose function is unknown to us, or undesirable to us, sort of like the Indians upon the arrival of Europeans; fairly helpless and overpowered due to lesser technology.

[Betwixte]

I'm not about to contact Bud Hopkins, or anyone else. I'm well aware of what MAY be going on. I don't care. I'll live my life without complaining to others. I have almost no clear memories of anything definitely happening, so my story doesn't merit publication.

I think I read one of his books, though, after the fact, so to speak. Seemed like a lot of BS to me. I appreciate your offer for help, though.

Thing is, there AIN'T no help.

[Quix]

I certainly understand something about your feelings.

Have felt that way about a lot of things in life and would certainly feel that way were I in your shoes.

I had the sense in my teen years that there was some risk for such things--perhaps it was just paranoia living where I do in New Mexico.

But for most of my adult life, I've felt I was more or less as earnest as I could be about walking close to God and that He had put the word out to leave me alone in terms of such forces. In any case, I have no evidence I've ever been abducted though I have dealt with demonic forces in a number of contexts.

That book on resisting abductions seemed to have at least some worthy approaches. They don't cost much but some alertness and energy. Don't recall what the book cost.

Thanks for your kind reply.

[bonfire]

Drive anywhere near or around Wright-Patterson AFB and very often you will see odd things up in the sky! Daytonians don't even pay attention anymore, it's so commonplace.

[Betwixte]

Well, it's probably something that you do not really know about, then, thank God. Especially living out west, in the open. I've found that "they" like the open fields, as crazy as it sounds. And the western states are perfect, but they come here, too.

Do you have any weird memories? What's the strangest event you've ever encountered?

[realpatriot71]

although it is not the case that when the body dies, that the soul ceases to exist.

This would be the case according to scripture.

The soul of the unbeliever descends to the Torments, associated in ancient literature with Hades in the Greek or Sheol on the Hebrew as a deep place or the underworld.

Sheol is the grave - you don't find the immortality of any "souls" within the the Bible. Eternal torments for immortal souls is a pagan concept that has nonethe less found it's way into Christian tradition until every Christian assumes it is so. Careful study of the scripture will show that the "soul" is the entire human, and when the breath of life returns to Him that gave it, the sould ceases to exist, except perhaps in the memory of the most high.

The soul and spirit of the believer today ascends to heaven, face to face with the Lord today in an interim body until the resurrection.

It's a nice thought, but inconsistant with scripture. BTW, where in the Bible is an "interim body" mentioned?

Your language is correct in that we are souls. We are also described as bodies and as reborn in the spirit, in a fashion similar to how God is known to us by three persons, yet they are one God. Anthropologically, the reborn man is composed of body, soul and spirit and while in fellowship with God, we are also indwelt by Him.

Reborn of the Spirit applies to the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. There is nothing intrinsically "spiritual" in the human, as humans are not spirits, BUT as living souls, we are the temple for the Holy Spirit. This is the "spiritual nature of man" to know God, love God, and have God (read:Holy Spirit) live within our souls. Man is only "spiritual" in this sense by proxi - the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the soul of the believer.

It wouldn't surprise me if somebody in a position of governmental authority, seeking and maintaining their worldly power structure, believing in an empirical fashion, could easily be deceived by malevolently deceiving demons, identified as merely ET aliens, would study and conclude the contents of the 'secret document' and even further conclude that mankind is not prepared for exposure to such beings, and then conduct occultic conspiracy to avoid any public announcement of the phenomena. The first consequence of stepping out of fellowship with God is a level of arrogance acting independently of Him. All consistent with the entire UFO legend/myth/CT. (IMHO)

We are in complete agreement here.

[realpatriot71]

Thing is, there AIN'T no help.

I am not familiar with your current situations above and beyound what has been posted here, but I would like to point out the Jesus Christ is more than enough to handle your porblem. Evil cannot stand before the Glory of the Most High God. Think on these things, please, before giving up hope.

[PeriwinkleMinniepaws]

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[Quix]

ON NOW, HISTORY CHANNEL; UFO PROGRAM RE CATTLE MUTILATIONS

UFO PING LIST PING

I'll try and give some commentary . . .

[Quix]

Linda Mouton Howe investigates a ?Wyoming?

Location surrounded 360 degrees by hills.

Other cattle keeping a far distance.

Cow dead for a week.

One of few in which ears not taken.

Was a large healthy animal. Had given birth to a calf that had grown to 400 lbs.

days of decay and maggot infestation. No organs thrown around as usually happens when scavengers are [busy] about [a carcas].

Jim Hickman--Some people do make a connection with a UFO event. No evidence humans are involved either. And UFO's are sometimes seen at mutilation sites.

Linda M Howe: Does our government have the craft? What's the evidence of what's in the craft doing the mutilations?

How: And when you find that the cow was dropped on her muscles, it is consistent with what observers have seen.

Hickman: Most of the cases that we have found--. . . loss of blood--we don't have the kind of vacuum equipment that can [empty a body of blood--to that degree--way].

Some people say it's genetics. Cattle DNA is very similar to humans.

Suggests that aliens are harvesting bovine biology for some galactic purpose.

[Quix]

Cattle blood can be used in emergencies.

Dr Johnson . . . not aware at all that there's that much similarity between human and bovine blood.

Dr Johnson: Are they that closely related? I don't think so. But I don't know.

Dr Johnson: I've never seen an unexplained mutilation.

HIckman: 30-40 years of mutilations and no case of a human ever seen involved in one of them.

The number of mutilation cases grows and the FBI gets called in.

Howe: FIRST THING he says to me is "I'm going to prove that this is nothing but predators."

commercial break.

[Squantos]

They be easy to identify...they'll be in air stream trailers !

[Quix]

CO Senator Floyd Haskell asked gov for help
. . . asking for FBI . . .to investigate.

The Colo Bureau of Investigation got involved in the late 70's because this was their lifelihood and so many cattle were missing.

Farmers were arming themeslves.

They didn't really have an idea what was going on.

[Sorry, I'm not typing the skeptical idiots any more--too idiotic, imho, compared to the facts]

FBI said it didn't come within FBI

Astronaut, Senator Harrison Schmidt
said it did cross State lines . . .

Rommel retired from FBI in May 1979 . . . became in charge of the investigation for the State of NM
Rommel had hundereds of historical cases to investigate.

He was initially pen minded.

Linda Howe: Rommel: I'm there [in his office] to do an interview as a reporter with an investigator for the State of NM.

FIRST THING HE SAID TO ME IS "I'M GOING TO PROVE, THIS IS NOTHING BUT PREDATORS."

. . . he stated . . . I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of mutilations are caused by scavengers and predators.

The subject transitioned from a rural myth . . .

HOWE: The government . . . doesn't make sense . . . if the CIA, FBI, NSA etc. were involved, they'd just go out and buy the [cattle] they needed and take them to bases and no one would know.

But Linda Howe has seen too many . . .

A shocking new case--Linda investigates . .