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Gibson to Delete a Scene in 'Passion'
NY Times ^ | February 4, 2004 | SHARON WAXMAN

Posted on 02/03/2004 6:39:38 PM PST by AgThorn

LOS ANGELES, Feb. 3 — Mel Gibson, responding to focus groups as much as to protests by Jewish critics, has decided to delete a controversial scene about Jews from his film, "The Passion of the Christ," a close associate said today.

A scene in the film, in which the Jewish high priest Caiaphas calls down a kind of curse on the Jewish people by declaring of the Crucifixion, "His blood be on us and on our children," will not be in the movie's final version, said the Gibson associate, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The passage had been included in some versions of the film that were shown before select groups, mostly of priests and ministers.

"It didn't work in the focus screenings," the associate said. "Maybe it was thought to be too hurtful, or taken not in the way it was intended. It has been used terribly over the years."

Jewish leaders had warned that the passage from Matthew 27:25 was the historic source for many of the charges of deicide and Jews' collective guilt in the death of Jesus.

Mr. Gibson's decision to remove the scene could indicate that he was being responsive to concerns of Jewish groups that the film will fuel anti-Semitism. Mr. Gibson was the co-writer, director, producer and financier of the $25 million film, which will be released in more than 2,000 theaters on Feb. 25, Ash Wednesday.

Mr. Gibson also responded to a letter from Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, who had requested a meeting and asked Mr. Gibson to consider a postscript that would "implore your viewers to not let the movie turn some toward a passion of hatred."

Mr. Gibson did not respond to those requests directly, writing only: "I hope and I pray that you will join me in setting an example for all of our brethren; that the truest path to follow, the only path, is that of respect and, most importantly, that of love for each other despite our differences."

Mr. Foxman responded in turn on Monday that "your words do not mitigate our concerns about the potential consequences of your film — to fuel and legitimize anti-Semitism."

This reporter was shown a two-hour version of the R-rated movie this week. The film features agonizing passages as Jesus, played by Jim Caviezel, is mercilessly beaten by Jewish and then Roman guards, and jeered and hounded by a Jewish mob on his way to his Crucifixion. It is unclear how close this version is to Mr. Gibson's final film.

In this version, the Roman leader Pontius Pilate is depicted as being reluctant to harm Jesus, who Pilate's wife warns is holy. Largely to mollify a restive Jewish mob outside his window, Pilate agrees to a severe lashing and scourging of Jesus, but the crowd and the high priest demand more.

Pilate says in Latin: "Ecce homo" — "Behold the man" — displaying the broken and bleeding Jesus to the crowd. But the high priest insists, in Aramaic, "Crucify him." Pilate responds, "Isn't this enough?" The mob roars, "No," and only then does the Roman leader agree to the Crucifixion.

Because passion plays historically preceded outbreaks of anti-Semitic violence in Europe, the film passage is a particularly sensitive matter with Jewish groups at a time when anti-Semitism is on the rise in parts of Europe, the Middle East and Asia.

But Mr. Gibson further raised hackles among Jewish leaders in an exclusive interview by the writer Peggy Noonan published in the March issue of Reader's Digest.

Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, accused Mr. Gibson of insensitivity when he compared Jewish suffering in the Holocaust to that of millions of others who died in the war.

Ms. Noonan, a former speechwriter for President Ronald Reagan, asked Mr. Gibson about his father, a conservative Catholic who was quoted in a New York Times Magazine article last March as denying that Holocaust took place. Mr. Gibson answered that he loved his father. Ms. Noonan insisted: "You're going to have to go on record. The Holocaust happened, right?"

Mr. Gibson responded: "I have friends and parents of friends who have numbers on their arms. The guy who taught me Spanish was a Holocaust survivor. He worked in a concentration camp in France. Yes of course. Atrocities happened. War is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps. Many people lost their lives. In the Ukraine several million starved to death between 1932 and 1933. During the last century 20 million people died in the Soviet Union."

In a letter to Mr. Gibson, Rabbi Hier wrote: "We are not engaging in competitive martyrdom, but in historical truth. To describe Jewish suffering during the Holocaust as `some of them were Jews in concentration camps' is an afterthought that feeds right into the hands of Holocaust deniers and revisionists."

Mr. Gibson's spokesman, Alan Nierob, denied that the director was looking to further inflame those leaders.

"There's no doubt in my mind that not only does he know the Holocaust and acknowledge it, he has shed tears over it, with me," he said.

Rabbi Hier responded that Mr. Gibson missed a chance to reduce the tension with Jewish groups. "I think he was lobbed an easy question. He could've used the occasion to take us on a different road, instead he marginalized the Holocaust, he diluted its significance, and it's a lie," he said. "Either he is very ignorant of sensitivities in Jewish communities of riling survivors, those who have lost loved ones, or he is doing it deliberately."

Mr. Foxman also protested Mr. Gibson's remark on the Holocaust. "At the very least it was ignorant, at the very most its insensitive. And you know what? He doesn't get that either. He doesn't begin to understand the difference between dying in a famine and people being cremated solely for what they are."


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To: Inyokern
Oy vey, someone has a chip on their shoulder.
21 posted on 02/03/2004 7:20:50 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: Nachum; rmlew; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Annie03; ...
And then again, it could simply be that Catholics are frustrated at the silence in the face of the murder of about 6 million Ukrainian Catholics, a holocaust that is never allowed to be mentioned.

Look at your pathetic slurs against Mel just because he does mention this other holocaust and refuses the PC party line that there is and can only ever be One Holocaust worthy of the name and because he is an unapologetic Catholic.

He's NOT denying the Jewish Holocaust! He's bending over backwards to accomodate the anti-Christians, but some folks would not be happy unless the movie was cancelled.

Bigotry is a two way street.

22 posted on 02/03/2004 7:22:44 PM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: AgThorn
Mel blinked. The efforts of the Liberal hebrew groups to demonize Mel,Christians & the film have been worthwhile.

Why was it in there if it isn't true? This makes Mel look like an amateur. What else will he cut for "sensitivity" reasons?
23 posted on 02/03/2004 7:23:18 PM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: ElkGroveDan
Oy vey, someone has a chip on their shoulder.

Ah, the spirit of Christian love appears immediately when anyone criticizes this movie.

24 posted on 02/03/2004 7:23:41 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Argus
When Jews insist that their atrocities were way worse, it is a turn off. What about Gypsies and homosexuals? Stalin not only starved his own countrymen, but also fed millions of soldiers into the Nazi war machine with his poor military tactics. We lose 400 soldiers in a war with Iraq and the press goes berserk.
25 posted on 02/03/2004 7:24:25 PM PST by aquawrench (www.reasons.org)
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To: AgThorn
No matter what Gibson says it will never be the right thing with his critics. Never.
26 posted on 02/03/2004 7:26:54 PM PST by gingerky
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To: Inyokern
Showing the Jews as villians is the important thing.

This kind of meritless slur against Mel is NOT going to help, I assure you. Some folks are obsessed with creating and/or perpetuating victimhood status regardless of the facts about Mel's film and his intent.

27 posted on 02/03/2004 7:27:02 PM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: AgThorn
If this film gets stopped there will be a very set of obivious inferences.

Anti-Christianity disease is virulent in society, I wonder sometimes if the patient will servive...
28 posted on 02/03/2004 7:29:16 PM PST by WritableSpace
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To: Inyokern
Actually, the fact of anti-Christian bigotry, even among Jewish folks --who should know better-- appears immediately with the production of this movie.
29 posted on 02/03/2004 7:29:17 PM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
This kind of meritless slur against Mel is NOT going to help, I assure you. Some folks are obsessed with creating and/or perpetuating victimhood status regardless of the facts about Mel's film and his intent.

OK then explain to me why so many people are upset about Gibson removing a scene from the movie that is not even an accurate portayal of the Gospel.

30 posted on 02/03/2004 7:29:28 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: gingerky
No matter what Gibson says it will never be the right thing with his critics. Never.

Why doesn't Gibson clearly and unhesitatingly repudiate his father's antisemitism?

The fact that he won't is what keeps this issue alive.

31 posted on 02/03/2004 7:29:46 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: AgThorn
"It didn't work in the focus screenings,"

And that's not the only place it isn't going to work.

32 posted on 02/03/2004 7:31:46 PM PST by firebrand
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To: CAtholic Family Association
Actually, the fact of anti-Christian bigotry, even among Jewish folks --who should know better-- appears immediately with the production of this movie.

"Professional Jews," like Hier and Foxman, are paid to keep the waters roiling.

But it should bother you a bit that Gibson will not denounce the views of his goofy father, who is clearly antisemitic.

I see nothing anti-Christian about the concern shown toward a director of a movie about the Passion who has the baggage of Hutton Gibson hanging around his neck.

33 posted on 02/03/2004 7:33:17 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Inyokern
explain to me why so many people are upset about Gibson removing a scene from the movie

Because compromise is always a one-way street for Christians in this culture.

34 posted on 02/03/2004 7:33:20 PM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: AgThorn
None dare call it censorship.
35 posted on 02/03/2004 7:34:07 PM PST by IronJack
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To: sinkspur
"I have friends and parents of friends who have numbers on their arms. The guy who taught me Spanish was a Holocaust survivor. He worked in a concentration camp in France. Yes of course. Atrocities happened. War is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps. Many people lost their lives. In the Ukraine several million starved to death between 1932 and 1933. During the last century 20 million people died in the Soviet Union."

Only to those with an agenda is this an insufficient response to his dad's looneyness.

36 posted on 02/03/2004 7:35:39 PM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: AgThorn
"In a letter to Mr. Gibson, Rabbi Hier wrote: "We are not engaging in competitive martyrdom, but in historical truth. To describe Jewish suffering during the Holocaust as `some of them were Jews in concentration camps' is an afterthought that feeds right into the hands of Holocaust deniers and revisionists." "

Hear this, Rabbi. THIS..........this tripe is exactly why no one with half a brain gives a whit what you say. This is total idiocy; a clear effort to "mine for offense". God help ya.........you're starting to sound like Jackson, Sharpton, and other such droolers. Sheesh................................give me one BIG honkin' break here.

37 posted on 02/03/2004 7:36:14 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: IronJack
None dare call it censorship.

Censorship is a government action. Private individuals are free to do whatever they want with their property.

38 posted on 02/03/2004 7:36:15 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
And then again, it could simply be that Catholics are frustrated at the silence in the face of the murder of about 6 million Ukrainian Catholics, a holocaust that is never allowed to be mentioned.
The Nazis did not specifically target Ukranian Catholics for death over Orthodox ones.

I think that you should cool off.
I have never denied that only 1/2 of those targeted for death and murdererd by the Nazis were considered Jews. That is a historic fact.
Nor do I deny that Hitler planned to tertiate the Slavic population of Europe, killing 1/3, using 1/3 for slave labor, adn expelling the rest across the Volga river. The Nazis treated the slavic peoples of Eastern Europe horribly. However, this was not a genocide. Millions died in the eastern front. The Nazis and Soviets killed millions of civilians on their warpath.
I am also aware of the mass starvations under the Soviets.

Unlike most here, my immediate family survived the above horrors. They survived the Nazis and Soviets. They were killed by gentiles and saved by gentiles. The Eastern European front was hell.

Look at your pathetic slurs against Mel just because he does mention this other holocaust and refuses the PC party line that there is and can only ever be One Holocaust worthy of the name and because he is an unapologetic Catholic.

He's NOT denying the Jewish Holocaust! He's bending over backwards to accomodate the anti-Christians, but some folks would not be happy unless the movie was cancelled.

Take a deep breath and look at the question Gibson was answering. He did not condemn his father, who is a raving anti-Semite and Holocaust revisionist.
The failure to directly do so is the problem.

The attack ont he movie came from liberal Jews and Christians, including Cahtolic clergy. Soem of the above may be anti=-Christian, but that is not the basis of most attacks or misconceptions.
The fact is taht elements of the Gospels were used to promote anti-Jewish violence in the past.
Pay attention to the facts and context. Loose your persecution complex. Otherwise, you are no better than Foxman.

39 posted on 02/03/2004 7:36:36 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: sinkspur
I see your point.

That said I think he's in a tough spot. It would be hard to refute your own father in public (his father, I think, is in his 80's). Maybe he's just trying to avoid doing that instead of avoiding the issue.

40 posted on 02/03/2004 7:36:40 PM PST by gingerky
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