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To: missyme
The Jews captured Jesus, the Jews took Jesus to Pilate, the Jews when given a choice still called for his death.... while I believe Christs death was preordained by God himself.... you cannot acurrately portray the crucifiction of Christ without showing the Jews turning him over to the Romans forcably and calling for his death... you don't have to like it, but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!

It is clear that the Jews carry a 2000 year old guilt trip over this.... and continue to try to pretend it did not happen. (or at least Some jews anyway).
114 posted on 02/03/2004 1:43:49 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
The point is WE ARE ALL GUILTY IN THE DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST" All, Every Gentile Every Jew Every Muslim everyone that is a human being is responsible...The only ones that are not responsible are ANIMALS and if they EXSIST ALIENS in OUTER SPACE. The focus of the crucifixcion is not on any group of people. Salvation comes through the JEWS and that is the Root of Christianity..
115 posted on 02/03/2004 1:51:41 PM PST by missyme
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To: HamiltonJay
The Jews captured Jesus
Taht is like calling the the Vichy regime, "the French".
The Jews in power served and lived at the whim of the Romans.
Jews when given a choice still called for his death
A crowd of Jews did based on the reality that Jesus had proclaimed himself the Messiah, but failed to live up to the role. "The Jews" as a whole did no such thing. Jews were not unified. (Jesus and his followers were... JEWS).

you cannot acurrately portray the crucifiction of Christ without showing the Jews turning him over to the Romans forcably and calling for his death... you don't have to like it, but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!
You can p00ut it in perspective; by pointing out who chose the High Priest and Ethnarch, by noting that Herod had killed most independent members of the Sanhedrin, that Saducees, not Pharasees were the dominent faction, and that over a dozen "Messiahs" were killed by the Romans or Jewish collaborators.

It is clear that the Jews carry a 2000 year old guilt trip over this.... and continue to try to pretend it did not happen. (or at least Some jews anyway).
We feel no guilt. Rather we remember stories of pogroms and riots after Passion plays.

140 posted on 02/03/2004 5:07:44 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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