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To: HamiltonJay
The Jews captured Jesus
Taht is like calling the the Vichy regime, "the French".
The Jews in power served and lived at the whim of the Romans.
Jews when given a choice still called for his death
A crowd of Jews did based on the reality that Jesus had proclaimed himself the Messiah, but failed to live up to the role. "The Jews" as a whole did no such thing. Jews were not unified. (Jesus and his followers were... JEWS).

you cannot acurrately portray the crucifiction of Christ without showing the Jews turning him over to the Romans forcably and calling for his death... you don't have to like it, but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!
You can p00ut it in perspective; by pointing out who chose the High Priest and Ethnarch, by noting that Herod had killed most independent members of the Sanhedrin, that Saducees, not Pharasees were the dominent faction, and that over a dozen "Messiahs" were killed by the Romans or Jewish collaborators.

It is clear that the Jews carry a 2000 year old guilt trip over this.... and continue to try to pretend it did not happen. (or at least Some jews anyway).
We feel no guilt. Rather we remember stories of pogroms and riots after Passion plays.

140 posted on 02/03/2004 5:07:44 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: rmlew
Sorry, you say it is fear, I don't agree. You cannot "fear" the reality of events over 2000 years ago... when they are portrayed in screen as they are written in the texts of the New Testament.

None have called for vengence against the Jews, none have left the theater calling for the genocide of their race, at least none who were not calling for it before they saw the film.

When Jewish law could not condem Jesus to death, Jewish leaders took him to the Romans, when the Romans told them they don't want to deal with him, you deal with him by your laws... their response was their laws did not allow the penalty of death... when no guilt could be found, Jewish leaders still called for him to be put to death, he was sent up to Pilate who also concluded he could find no fault with this man, yet Jewish leaders still pushed for his execution....

That's how the story is written, you don't have to like but it is written that way, and any portrayal of it that is based on the text will also show these facts, for as it is written those are the facts.

The false indignation by a small group of activists that this movie is some sort of antisemetic passion play is preposterous claptrap. Its the same nonsense thinking that says America can't handle seeing the 9/11 tapes or they'll all go killing Muslims...

The death of Christ was preordained and all had their parts to play. His death, ressurection and ascention were absolute and could no more be stopped than the tides.

NOw, as to your claim that he claimed to be the Mesiah, but failed to live up to the role... I certainly do not see that as I see the story of a man speaking of Salvation as the abstract kingdom of God, to a crowd and people who repeatedly failed to understand that that kingdom was not a nation on this Earth.

Jesus was persecuted for being a threat to the powers that be within the structure of the Jewish heirarchy, he was a revolutionary that was a threat to those who held power... and eventually was killed, by proxy of course wouldn't want their own hands to get dirty, to protect their status quo.
225 posted on 02/04/2004 8:19:20 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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