Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat

DEBKA ^ | 11/03/03

[Mossad1967]

Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles

Link to Thread #1

[JustPiper]

Well that set the pace for the rest of the day

Number One - Get out of the cities!

Number Two - Get out of the cities!

Number Three - Get out of the cities!

This site backs my dream in 1985...Newspaper said the year was 2030 - we lived underground and decided we no longer wanted to that, could only go above ground with masks, gear etc.So my kin and I decided enough was enough. Went above ground and took off our masks....I woke up from that but....

[Domestic Church]

The white powder in Philly was found at The Windsor, 17th & the Parkway, which is a major intersection with the main branch of the Philly Library (founded by Ben Franklin I might add) not far along with The Art Museum and the Basilica of St.Peter & Paul nearby. Here's hoping they check everything around that area.

[NothingMan]

I hope this doesn't come across as too arrogant, combative or sarcastic. I do not profess to have all the answers and the complexity of the world situation at the moment would inspire humility in me if nothing else would.

I have been a lurker, but a stomach bug has laid me up and the detour the thread has taken has forced me to become a poster . . .

Qaeda is *not* a Russian proxy. Others may be using it as a proxy. But Russia? No.

Russia is a complicated subject and does not lend itself to a simplified analysis.
Russia, like China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran - - (and for that matter Germany and France) - - have national policies which can be inimical to the US, but are also many times (if not most of the time) policies in self-contradiction and even (sometimes) outright alignment with US objectives.

Some of these nations (and others like them) play both sides of the fence in this global "war on terror". Some have different factions in their government with one faction seeking reform, modernity, and good relations with the US while another faction may even seek to harm the US. And yes, some may be duplicitous and seek to harm us while on the surface engaging in limited cooperation. Some even make this duplicity into an art form by using factional disagreements as a "good cop-bad cop" cover to mask strategic objectives that would harm the US.

But this is the most dangerous time in modern US history. Our forces are in the midst of the largest logistical maneuver since WWII, while the world is as unstable as it has been since the outbreak of the Second World War:

Korean crisis as negotiations soon deadlock and threat of nuclear sale to AQ

Taiwan Straits crisis intensifying as the election approaches and China will react

Pakistani nukes insecure w/ ISI ties to Islamists and AQ targeting Musharaff

Saudi vulnerability to destabilization as AQ seeks a new "host organism"

Iran most unstable since founding of the Islamic Republic while closing in on nukes

Palestinian "Authority" in total collapse and chaos looming in the territories

Israel imposing a unilateral solution to the Palestinian issue will ignite Arab world

Syria hosting (or allowing transit and basing) for terrorists and harboring WMD

Lebanese-Israeli border a tinderbox with thousands of Hezbollah short-range missiles

One terrorist "mega-attack" against Israel could send the region into unimaginable war

Ten rapidly emerging scenarios to ponder . . . and if you were the President of Russia (look at a globe for a minute and see which one of us is closer to the "action" in each scenario) how would you react? Their military has been incapable of defeating a terrorist insurgency in their own borders after a decade. They are in a weakened and vulnerable state (but recovering from where they were a few years ago). This is a warning shot. And it is not really meant for us. The message is "Don't mess with us".

Russia may be a danger if it cannot continue a stable path of political and economic transition and development. But if you put our worst enemies on earth on one end of the spectrum and our best friends on the other, Russia is closer to the latter than the former (though admittedly not by much). That can continue to change for the better if we meet our common challenges together. Think about it, with the exception of Israel (which finds itself in the same position), there is not a single country on this planet whose population supports the United States in the "war on terror" or its strategic objectives - - not one. I say that as someone who supports US policy, but we would be naive to believe that our strategy is not "high-risk". I would be happy to be proven wrong on this, but you will not find a majority of Brits, Spaniards, any Europeans, Canadians, Japanese, Indians, etc whose *people* support the "war on terror". There is not a nation on earth (besides Israel) where this is so. Their *governments* may support us, but the people are far more dubious. That is fine. The governments understand the nature of the threat far better than do their people. And our national survival is not up for an international vote. But the point is that Russia is not really all that much more "anti-American" than anyone else these days. So things should be kept in perspective.

Anyway, Putin has an election in a few weeks and maybe he needs to protect his nationalist flank from a supernationalist challenge if it goes to a runoff (which he is in no danger of losing, but in the expectations game, if he does not win big, he loses). So don't be surprised if as the Russian government goes before the Russian people in elections they adopt the anti-American tone of the people.

And if what people speculate upon in this thread were to come to pass (an AQ-executed WMD attack on the US), you really should think it through. AQ could be a proxy for someone, but the most likely candidates do not include Russia. However, the main suspects are all on its periphery. We would retaliate. Russia has good reason to be nervous, not because they are guilty, but because they will definitely get caught up in the aftermath (or even the crossfire) and want to signal all parties that while they cannot properly maintain their military, their missiles work just fine thank you very much.

Also, I am no historian, but most of the conspiracy theories on Russia and perestroika being an elaborate "maskirovka" (strategic deception campaign) are based on KGB and GRU defectors who left Russia a decade ago, and cite as their primary reference a book written 20 years ago by a KGB major (Golitsyn) who defected over 40 years ago (during the Kennedy administration) who, besides providing valuable information also provided extremely misguided and damaging analysis (some think he may have even been a double agent as were several of the "defectors" of the early 1960s). And if he was genuine, his analysis was often not reliable and helped spark James Angleton's witchhunt that caused incalculable damage to our country.

To put it more simply, Golitsyn was the Soviet "EOM" from 1961. And accepting his strategic analysis in the 1960s would have extended, not shortened, the Cold War.

And relying on his contorted analysis 40 years later would be even more misguided than it would have been in the 1960s. If we had listened to Golitsyn, we would never had recognized the Sino-Soviet split for what it was (Golitsyn said that was a ruse too). Nixon might have never gone to China. Brezhnev might never have been forced into detente and strategic arms talks. We never would have had the post-Vietnam, post-Watergate breathing space we desperately needed at a time of internal dissension and strategic inertia. We bought three decades of peace with China and a strategic alliance with them against the Soviets.

Now the tables have turned. And those who fail to learn from the successes of history, may be doomed *not* to repeat them.

You should not be alarmed by Russia (at least for now).
You should be alarmed as to the reason Russia is alarmed.

The darkest days in American history may yet await us.

The last thing we need to be doing is misidentifying the few potential friends we actually have at the moment.

Back to the point, al Qaeda is a proxy, and may even be a proxy for a proxy (lest anyone accuse me of insufficient paranoia).

But Russia is a tangential issue and it is exquisitely unsettling that just days after an aborted (or preempted) WMD attack on the US (canceled flights) and actual Ricin attacks (though debatably WMD), a sometimes interesting thread that while not always accurate was very topical has lurched into a ditch.

We have bigger fish to fry than decades-old Russian conspiracy theories.
Russian nuclear exercises are a symptom, not the disease.

And the fact that it is just a symptom should alarm you to no end.

If this is not political, what exactly has the Russians so scared that they are rattling their sabres so hard?

Anyway, I'd been saving my two cents for a few thousand posts at least. Sorry to dump the whole piggy bank on everyone at once, but if we are going to make Russia the boogey-man and the bane of our existence, then at least give Iran, North Korea, and China equal time.

[Sean Osborne Lomax]

"We're still anxiously waiting for Sean to provide us with the evidence and documentation supporting his rumor that Osama bin Laden has been captured."

Number 1.) Who is this "we" you are refering to???

Number 2.) If you can read, and know how to use a computer the answer to your question has ben online for about two weeks or so. If you needed someone to hold your hand and guide you then why didn't you just say so???

Here ya go...

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/OBLCustody.htm

Next case.

[Domestic Church]

I never thought of Russia holding a full house of diamonds before.

[JustPiper]

Do Terrorists Really Have Nukes Here?

"Waiting for the Big One"
by J. R. Nyquist
September 18, 2003

For two years the terrorists have spoken openly and privately about a final, devastating attack that would “paralyze” the United States. In November 2001, the Taliban’s Mullah Omar spoke to a journalist about the final destruction of America. A man of simple words, Omar did not say how America would be destroyed.

Last week Osama bin Laden re-issued his famous religious ruling (fatwa) on the mass killing of Americans: “The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilian and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it…. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God [who said], ‘fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,’ and ‘fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God.’"

http://www.ki4u.com/loose_nukes.htm

[swarthyguy]

BUMP to both your posts; much needed cold water.

Thanks for some reality regarding AQ, the Saudis, pakis et al.

And some fresh air regarding paranoia about the Russians.

[Sean Osborne Lomax]

Absolutely, Yes. Feb 21 is the last day of 1424 A.H.

[JustPiper]

USSR backed Castro in Bay of Pigs

[jstolzen]

Nothing more on this so far (that I've heard).

[milkncookies]

Cal this is an excerpt is from Executive Intelligence Review SPECIAL REPORT April 1997

Over six years old yet who wants more than anything to see Bush out of the White house?

"Behind the veil of legitimacy and humanitarian concerns can be found the same powerful people and organizations such as the Open Society Institute of the billionaire and - as always characterized - philanthropist, George Soros, the Ford Foundation, the United States Institute of Peace, the National Endowment for Democracy and many more, financing and using a maze of well known NGO's such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the International Crisis Group, etc., as well as more obscure entities ... But, among all of them, shining as the Southern star, is George Soros who, like an immense Jules Verne octopus, extends his tentacles all over Eastern Europe, South-Eastern Europe, the Caucasus as well as the republics of the former Soviet Union. With the help of these various groups (it is possible) not only to shape but to create the news, the agenda and public opinion to further aims which are, in short, the control of the world, its natural resources and the furtherance of the uniform ideal of a perfect world polity made in America."

[JustPiper]

I know you guys are expecting the end of the world any day now

[milkncookies]

But wait...Ithought they were broke!?

[Sean Osborne Lomax]

Nice long post you have there.

Tell me one thing... when was the last time the United States embarked on a global thermonuclear exercise aimed specifically at Russia????

The answer is zero. This answer is placed in the right-hand side of the truth scales.

Then tell me how many times in the past two years the have Russian's done this to America????

The answer is twice. 2 times. This answer is placed in the left-hand side of the truth scale.

Do you see the heavily weighted scale identifying Russia as a belligerent enemy of the United States? It's so obvious that a blind man can see it.

[Labyrinthos]

A great read and well worth the wait. Thanks.

[Calpernia]

I don't think I would ever get sleep if I had your dreams JP~!

[JustPiper]

I think the military exercizes are Putin's viagra.

Well put, nice analogy for ego!

[JustPiper]

HOMELAND INSECURITY
Customs whistleblower:
Airports still vulnerable
Fearing exploitation by terrorists, fired agent takes case to Ashcroft

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36919

[LayoutGuru2]

Excellent, thanks for the brain-dump, next time don't wait so long to let it out. :)

[ContemptofCourt]

Good post...unfortunately, it, too, is logical, and will therefore be dismissed.