Posted on 12/18/2003 6:37:55 AM PST by BeerSwillr
Illegal immigration is one of the biggest problems facing America today. It is costing American taxpayers BILLIONS. Our states are being invaded while our "leaders" wink and nod in favor of Mexican slave labor and votes they think they're going to get. Are they giving any thought to the votes they're losing from their conservative base? I would guess the number is in the millions now, as we read every day about more and more entitlements to illegal aliens. Sick.
Don't have a link handy but I've read studies that even if farm workers were paid $20.00 an hour or more the price of lettuce would not go up as much as people think.
With increased mechanization the need for laborers could be drastically reduced anyway, but as long as farmers are supplied with cheap workers there isn't much incentive to do so.
This is a very busy ping issue, if you would like on/off just gimme a holler!
They should be e-mailed to each and every Congressman and Senator.
I could only hope. Capitalism is certainly preferable to our socialist government.
Fact 1. We have a shortage of cheap labor.
Fact 2. Mexico has an abundance of cheap labor.
Fact 3. Cheap labor will move from Mexico to the United States.
Hampering that movement restricts business, creates inefficiencies and raises costs to consumers.
Read "The Wealth of Nations, Book IV" by Adam Smith (c) 1776.
The welfare state which is the United States is our fault, not theirs.
I've known many mestizos, in west Texas, Colorado, New Mexico and Georgia and all of them worked. Hard. They are, or will be, better citizens than many who were born here. I like their culture. I like their women. I like their beer and I like their food. As to their language, I cannot speak a coherent sentence.
Regardless, labor should be allowed to move from where there is a surplus to where there is a shortage. Anything else causes inefficiencies.
Our welfare is meant for our citizens, NOT for mexicans.
I've known many mestizos, in west Texas, Colorado, New Mexico and Georgia and all of them worked. Hard. They are, or will be, better citizens than many who were born here. I like their culture. I like their women. I like their beer and I like their food. As to their language, I cannot speak a coherent sentence.
I live in the DFW metroplex and we have about one million of them here. Their neighborhoods are gang infested, crime riddled slums (that did not used to be that way before the mexicans took it over), the schools are battlefields in which the American flag takes a back seat to the flag of mexico with the local American Citizens property owners footing the tax bill, there are MORE metal detectors in the typical school than the local jail, the "government services" rolls are totally flooded with them, the jails are overflowing with them AFTER quadrupling in capacity. Excuse me for not going along with your pie-in-the-sky theory on "labor flow." Around here we are pretty concerned with preventing "blood flow."
Here is a lineup of the current Texas 10 Most wanted . . .
BRUNSON, DANIELSA, DELGADO, FERNANDEZ, GONZALES, MORENO, SEGUEDA, VELAZCO, and at the end... WACKERHAGEN (token white guy), and WILLIAMS, (token black guy).
Large sections of Dallas are inaccessible to anyone but mexicans in regards to attempting to make a living, no spanish, no job. Personally, I would not live in those neighborhoods anyway, I have no desire to pack heat to pick up a few groceries at the corner store.
Regardless, labor should be allowed to move from where there is a surplus to where there is a shortage. Anything else causes inefficiencies.
I agree. OUR labor. Our out of work citizens. Not mexico.
Close the border, deport the criminal invaders or loose the country.
TLI
Funny. The same things (minus the remarks about metal detectors) were said in New York, during the 1880s, about the Irish.
The flow of Labor, like any other commodity, is governed by supply and demand. Sorry chum just cause you don't like facts doesn't mean they ain't true.
I agree. OUR labor. Our out of work citizens
Economics does not recognise artificial boundaries. Closing the border will impact the US economy more than it will those trying to cross it. Also, the politicians in your State (both R and D) will never allow the border to be closed. Even Ron Paul has a mixed record in regards to Illegal Immigration (I'm not talking about what he says, I'm talking about his actual voting record).
The mexican border will not be closed unless there is a major successful terrorist attack and then any closure will be temporary. Maybe you had better move to Minnesota, or New Hampshire. The Free State Project.
Your comparison of the mexicans to the "Irish" does not make sense and is not much of a comparison at all. The Irish were not on welfare or sucking up tax money, as there was no income tax then, or freebies from the government. Therefore they (the Irish) could not freeload off of the other Americans. Most had, or were in the process of getting the hell out of there, you will not see the mexicans going anywhere. The Irish came here on a boat through the legal system of that time and did not criminally cross the border.
Just because I don't like the facts does not mean they can not be changed. And that is where you and the majority of folks will differ. You seem to believe that the current situation is the only set of "facts" that can exist. That situation on the border can change OVERNIGHT if need be. And yes, closing the border can and has happened in the past. It can happen again. The economy will change a bit from a border closure but be adversely impacted? NO.
What will change the economy for the better is to put the brakes on an invasion of a "culture" that bows to a centralist government theory instead of maintaining freedom. What a coincidence that all this is happening when the politicians have become so bland on issues that government welfare for criminal invaders has become THE issue of choice for the communists (democrats) in a presidential election. One more thing, the economy will flat out go into the toilet if the criminal illegals are not stopped as it is theorised that the Dow Jones and the S&P don't do very well when there are about 5 to 7 million American in OPEN FRICKIN REVOLT.
Your logic seems to run in circles except when you indicate a rather static view of the situation. If the border does remain open that very likely WILL be the cause of another major terrorist attack. Which will result in border closure. While it does remain open it will be the kiss of death waiting to happen, as the closure and deportation of the criminals will result in a dramatic drop in crime. The politicians will be standing there with their d|(&$ in the breeze with no explanation as to why they did not close that border TEN YEARS AGO. This in itself will CHANGE the situation, again. Some change will be seen when that current crop of politicians are run off. The best results will stem from the identification and deportation of the criminal illegals.
By the way . . . aren't you noticing that nobody is offering any support to your theory on how "labor flow" is the beginning and end of things influencing events? Don't you know Americans are FAMOUS for doing things that might not make robot-like sense, but just because they damn well wanted too?
Study a little real military history for a bit of an eye opener regarding what Americans are capable of when they get, much as they are now, good and PI$$ED OFF. You will find the "government" scrambling to play catch up.
Move? Nah, I don't think so. After all, I'm one of those "Hitleresque" redneck, undereducated, gun totin dumb-ass Texans, right? I'm just here cause I live for the sound of hot lead smacking raw flesh, right? What would I know about what is good for me?
TLI
Oh but they were. It just wasn't called "welfare" it was called charity. Then there were the "poor houses" and "work houses". The Irish were violent, drank to excess and spoke funny. They fought. They were territorial. South Boston still has this reputation.
The Irish immigrants formed "gangs". These gangs were involved in theft rings, murder for hire and protection rackets. No one felt safe going into their neighborhoods to, using your phrase, "buy groceries".
Facts don't change. The Law of Supply and Demand is immutable and will not bend to your fantasy. You can raise the costs associated with labor migration but, just as with any other commodity, it will find a new level. You might as well fight the ocean.
Open revolt? Ha!
Economics is the overriding influence. I'm constantly amazed that the children of capitalism continually fail to recognise that fact. At least the Founders did.
Everything mankind does is influenced by scarcity and abundance. The system works well until some entity, be it government, religion or an abstract group, tries to artifically control access. Left to its own devices, "the invisible hand" will find a balance.
btw, I can read unbolded text just fine, thank you very much.
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