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I will not say: do not weep; for not all tears are an evil.
The One Ring ^

Posted on 11/29/2003 6:31:10 PM PST by anka

I live in LA and work in the movie business, so I was able to go to the first Academy Awards screening of ROTK yesterday. Thanksgiving day, and they still filled a big theater - I think that says something about the enthusiasm of LOTR's many fans in the film industry!

What struck me most was how much ROTK really is the third act of one huge epic. All climax and payoff. I couldn't even begin to count the number of thrilling action sequences. And yet, even more than with the other movies, the emotional focus is tight on the characters.

The LOTR movies actually have less in common with fantasy like STAR WARS, and more in common with classic epics like LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and SPARTACUS. So in a fairly traditional sense, ROTK is an old fashioned War Movie. We get the incredible battles, but also the fear in anonymous soldiers' eyes, and our heroes desperately overcoming that fear to do what has to be done - which is of course what MAKES them heroes. Happily, ROTK doesn't glorify war, but rather the impulse for sacrifice, putting yourself on the line for a greater good.

But what all LOTR fans will be saying as they leave the theater is "I cried!" Don't bring a date if you don't want them to see you cry. Do bring Kleenex, whatever. If you love these characters, you're going to cry. Like nine times. Sad crying. Happy crying. Happy-sad crying. You get the picture.

Legolas does a stunt you will never forget, battling an Oliphaunt (Mumak, whatever). Sam is the bravest character in any movie, ever. Just the sequence of Pippin singing for Denethor while Faramir rides off on a suicide mission should net Peter Jackson a Best Director nomination. Eowyn ROCKS as action heroine. And you really DON'T want to know what comes through that gate when Minas Tirith is breached.

That being said, I bet this will be the LOTR pic that improves most on DVD. Obviously the Saruman sequence will be missed by fans. But some of the other character stories definitely seem truncated too.

Aragorn has great stuff to do, but we miss a couple of beats in his transformation. No Houses of Healing - in the book, a nice moment where he "proves" his Kingship in a non-warlike way, and where we see how much the people WANT a King. Same with Denethor - we never really get the sense that he is a good and noble man who has fallen low. He seems spiteful, rather than tragic. His sons are so noble, I found that incongruous. And Arwen is barely present, seeming more like she did in the book - a gift-wrapped prize for the King. Finally, though we spend lots of time with Frodo and Sam, even their trip through Mordor is somewhat ellipsed at the end. Jackson et al seemed mainly concerned with making it clear how the Minas Tirith battles are connected with Frodo's story. This was probably a wise choice, especially for the larger audience who may never have read the books.

But the bottom line is, this is a massive epic which even three LONG movies can barely contain, and Peter Jackson & Company did a great job of bringing it to an incredibly exciting climax and a VERY fulfilling ending. The last few scenes of the movie are particularly well crafted. There's a very subtle, understated scene after the Hobbits return to the Shire, with almost no dialogue. Everything is told by the looks on their faces. These are good actors! And then there's the Grey Havens. (See KLEENEX, above)


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oooooh

YEAH!!!

1 posted on 11/29/2003 6:31:10 PM PST by anka
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To: HairOfTheDog; ecurbh; msdrby
Ring Ping
2 posted on 11/29/2003 7:02:14 PM PST by Prof Engineer (My Labrador can lick your honor student anytime, and they'll both enjoy it.)
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To: 2Jedismom; 300winmag; Alkhin; Alouette; ambrose; Anitius Severinus Boethius; artios; AUsome Joy; ...

Ring Ping!!
There and Back Again: The Journeys of Flat Frodo

Anyone wishing to be added to or removed from the Ring-Ping list, please don't hesitate to let me know.

3 posted on 11/29/2003 7:05:30 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: Prof Engineer; ecurbh
There's a very subtle, understated scene after the Hobbits return to the Shire, with almost no dialogue. Everything is told by the looks on their faces. These are good actors! And then there's the Grey Havens. (See KLEENEX, above)

Snif.

4 posted on 11/29/2003 7:06:51 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh; Prof Engineer
To heck with snif!

It is only 17 days 4 hours and 53 minutes till it comes!

5 posted on 11/29/2003 7:09:28 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: anka
Thanks for posting this anka!
6 posted on 11/29/2003 7:10:01 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'll be bringing a box of Kleenex, honey!
7 posted on 11/29/2003 7:11:10 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: HairOfTheDog
So, hopefully they won't have screwed this up too much.
8 posted on 11/29/2003 7:12:09 PM PST by Sam Cree (democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
Hopefully, Sam.... not screwed up too much. ;~D

~Wonders where to find optimistic friends to talk to~

9 posted on 11/29/2003 7:13:50 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: anka; Explorer89
I live in LA and work in the movie business, so I was able to go to the first Academy Awards screening of ROTK yesterday.

You (lucky) BASTARD! :)

Thanks for the report. I'm counting the days.

10 posted on 11/29/2003 7:15:51 PM PST by MrConfettiMan (Emily Hope...born 11/10/03...first child of MCM...a gift from God swaddled in a blanket...)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm really looking forward to this, but am nervous a little, as I was before the first one. Since I am somewhat emotionally invested in the things.

I think it is getting mostly good reviews, though.
11 posted on 11/29/2003 7:20:12 PM PST by Sam Cree (democrats are herd animals)
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To: All
Just realized that I confused some of you into thinking I have seen it.

I should be so lucky ;-)

This is a report from www.theonering.net (see link)
Midnight showing and taking the next day off to see it again :-D

Woot!
12 posted on 11/29/2003 7:21:55 PM PST by anka
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To: Sam Cree
We are all emotionally invested now! So we all have high hopes.

I am a glass half full kind of person, so I am sure I will find enough to be happy with. How could it not? These are great actors, and they have done great work here.
13 posted on 11/29/2003 7:25:53 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree
Hair; Sam; The monthly calendar will soon be turned, the notations made, the pieces are in motion, we are ready and will be there. (on the 19th in my case)

14 posted on 11/29/2003 8:18:29 PM PST by osagebowman (HHD-)
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To: ecurbh; HairOfTheDog
I'll be bringing a box of Kleenex, honey!

I think you may need a box for each of you! I'm gonna have to take some Ibuprofen before I go cause crying always gives me a headache; maybe taking it before the movie will head it off!

15 posted on 11/29/2003 10:16:20 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Sam Cree
So, hopefully they won't have screwed this up too much.

The review called it a War Movie with most of the action focused on Aragorn and battle sequences. I imagine it will be a good movie regardless, but I thought the last one was too much of a war movie as it was. I've seen plenty of war movies and LOTR, to me, is not really a war story.

With the opportunity for battle at Osgiliath, the fields of the Pelennor, and the Black Gate, I can imagine that much of the genuine drama and heart of the story will be relegated to the extended DVD next fall.

We shall see!

16 posted on 11/29/2003 10:22:02 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: anka
Legolas does a stunt you will never forget

My teenage daughter couldn't get any more of a crush on this guy....maybe.

17 posted on 11/30/2003 12:13:32 AM PST by YankeeinOkieville
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To: anka
We get the incredible battles, but also the fear in anonymous soldiers' eyes, and our heroes desperately overcoming that fear to do what has to be done - which is of course what MAKES them heroes. Happily, ROTK doesn't glorify war, but rather the impulse for sacrifice, putting yourself on the line for a greater good.

This sounds true to the book and to Tolkien, who was a WWI veteran who was in the Battle for the Somme...and only survived because he was invalided out with "trench fever"...most of his friends died...

As for Arwen, the book character is based on Tolkien's romance with his wife, who was "above" him...i.e. older and wiser but who loved him anyway...

There was family opposition on both sides to their marriage, and she remained at home when he went to war, but was important as an emotional pole or "star" on which he could remain sane i.e. with a post war goal...although, I might add, he saw her as Luthien, not Arwen...(Luthien rescues Beren, and nurses him back to health in the tale)

Can't wait...

18 posted on 11/30/2003 4:23:10 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: HairOfTheDog
~Wonders where to find optimistic friends to talk to~

Woohoo! We get to see ol' sticky-beak Elrond leave!

19 posted on 11/30/2003 4:45:16 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: anka
can't wait!...bttt
The extended Two Towers..is well worth the money....quite excellent, especially for the 'making of'...scenes, with lots of charming, witty dialog from the cast.

They all seemed to take this movie very much to heart....

..and physically, quite a few of the cast members were injured ....and carried on.

Legolas cracked a rib, falling off a horse...
...Aragorn broke a huge piece of his front tooth when someone clunked him with a sword...(he wanted to continue with that day's footage, and they made him go to a dentist)..
...he also broke a toe...

..and Sam stepped on a large shard of glass when he was running after Frodo in the boat...

..they had to airlift him to hospital for lots of stiches.

20 posted on 11/30/2003 5:18:00 AM PST by Guenevere (..., .a long time Florida resident and voter!)
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