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Posted on 11/23/2003 7:50:33 AM PST by Mo1

TOPICS: Dimensional Doorway; Freeoples
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To: null and void
Speaking of sharp knives...you are going to cut off your nose to spite your face.
To: Conservababe
So? It's my face.
More to the point, either way I'm going to lose my nose.
The democrats will rip it from my face through my wallet by way of taxation.
The republicans will rip it from my face by through my wallet by way of permanently off shoring my entire industry, and filling any menial job I might get with near starving indentured servants guest workers.
9,462
posted on
01/31/2004 10:32:19 PM PST
by
null and void
(Bush DID lie - He said islam is a religion of peace...)
To: Canadian Outrage
I was watching Court TV the other night and a Canadian man who murdered his wife in New Brunswick, (beat her to death) was charged with 2nd degree murder and given a whole 6 years!! So they have any serious sentencing time for crimes up there?
9,463
posted on
01/31/2004 11:05:10 PM PST
by
Mo1
(Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
To: Conservababe
Perhaps the fact that despite the most intense job hunting I have ever done in my entire life, I earned 3.3% -that's not a typo- 3.3% of the earned income I made the year Bush took office colors my perception of just how dandy things are in the goooood old land of jobs-are-our-#1-export USofA.
9,464
posted on
01/31/2004 11:13:03 PM PST
by
null and void
(Bush DID lie - He said islam is a religion of peace...)
To: null and void
I hear ya Nully. My son's an Electical Engineer, with a few patents under his belt too, and was making big bucks.. and now it's to the point that it's more worthwhile for him be a house husband and do his DJ and photo work from home. It costs a lot of money to have the kids taken care of if you both work.
In his field, if you're out of work too long, everything passes you by, and you have so much to catch up with, so it ain't easy. Schooling again, hardly easy in his case?
The jobs aren't out there, or the money. Luckily his wife is an Electrical Engineer too, and has held on to her good paying job. Maybe just because she's a woman?
Pretty soon we'll all be taxed to death and living off the government. It's starting to seem like what both parties want, and certainly the world..
I'm at a loss. I really am.. Things are not looking good, and you just can't keep those blinders on and hope for the best. At some certain point you have to pay the fiddler.
Just 2 cents worth from a worried woman.
BWDIK?
9,465
posted on
02/01/2004 6:04:37 AM PST
by
grannie9
(He who laughs, lasts!)
To: grannie9

Good Sunday Morning
To: grannie9
Hi grannie...I'm not going to argue politics over here because it is such a nice place. But, I do have a few observations to throw out.
Is our standard of living down? Or is it that we have higher expectations now? My mother totally supported four kids from ages 13 to 3 on her salary as a public health nurse. No child support. No tax credits, either. Anyway, she bought a new house in a subdivision...three bedrooms, living room, ONE bath. We had one phone on a party line, one tv, one stereo and two radios. We were so proud of our home...and really thought we were rich. As we grew older, if we kids wanted something extra, we worked for it. I babysat and cleaned homes. My brothers mowed lawns in the neighborhood and later bagged at the supermarket. No sweet sixteen birthday car for any of us, either, and we didn't expect to have one.
In the summer my brothers went to Kentucky to cut tobacco crop. It was a hot and nasty job, but a good way to earn some money. Now, when was the last time you could find a teenager to clean a house or mow a lawn? In fact, my brother tells me most of the young men in his part of Kentucky will not work at tobacco jobs because it is easier to work at McDonalds or KFC. So, who comes in to do the work? Immigrents.
Just my two cents.
To: grannie9
Things are not looking good, and you just can't keep those blinders on and hope for the best. At some certain point you have to pay the fiddler. Just 2 cents worth from a worried woman.
BWDIK?
BWDIK? Apparently a lot less than our betters on this and other threads who still have jobs.
For some reason they think that the only jobs the new indentured servants guest workers will take from Americans are lettuce picking and floor scrubbing.
No accountant, butcher, baker, clerk, cop, doctor, engineer, factory worker (we do still have some factories don't we?), gardener, hit man, investigator, jeweler, knitter, legal aide, mailman, nurse, opera singer, plumber, quartermaster, roulette operator, soldier, teacher, union boss, valet, waitress, xylophone player, yes man, or zoologist's job is safe as long as there is someone somewhereELSE on earth who can convert it into a "job Americans won't do" by working for wages so low that no Americans can pay their existing mortgages.
As I see, if this scheme, or the even more extreme scheme that other party is flogging pass, the only long term career paths for Americans are: Welfare recipient, Politician, CEO and Lawyer. And I'm not sure about the CEO's and Lawyers.
Garn, I guess you and I are just really stupid if we don't "get it" and go along with the program.
Good morning, BTW...
9,468
posted on
02/01/2004 8:06:35 AM PST
by
null and void
(I'm worried, I'm tired, I'm pissed off, and I'm off my meds...)
To: grannie9; null and void; yall
Yep - it is getting serial for lots of folks in our country. LOT's of people.
9,469
posted on
02/01/2004 8:10:06 AM PST
by
lodwick
(Wake up, America!)
To: Conservababe
Well I don't want to bring it in here really either Babe. I was just answering Nully, and trying to tell him that I know how he feels. Lots of men out there that want to work, but their jobs are leaving the country for cheaper labor. Of course we have higher expections now, so many more people go to college now. They pay big money for it, work hard, and by the time they get out their jobs are gone. It's not a good thing. If they go into the trades to compensate, they are losing the decent pay to people that will work for nearly nothing.
I agree that a lot of the young people don't want to work, and especially the back breaking jobs. Some work just enough to foot their partys, and when moneys good they call in sick. Happens all the time at the shop where my daughter works. They don't have the work ethic their parents and grandparents had in most cases.
I have nothing against immigrants working here. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't, but I don't think this illegal alien thing is going to work, and for too many reasons to enumerate, or go into on this thread.
I guess I just think we have a lot of big problems, and I don't see anyone out there in our political field who is really making it their top agenda.
They spend too much time and money in give-away programs, trying to best the other party, and the hell with what our country really needs.
Anyway, I've had my rant.. Sometimes I just have to get some of it off my chest. I have 12 grandkids, and I'm sure most of them want to get some kind of education and hold down a decent job someday. I just hope the jobs are there for them that's all.
Again, BWDIN?
9,470
posted on
02/01/2004 8:25:19 AM PST
by
grannie9
(He who laughs, lasts!)
To: grannie9
Unemployment rate is about 5% nationally. That has always been the accepted percent for a growing economy. Higher expectations do not necessarily mean it can be a reality.
Let me put it this way. My cousin is a plumber. He makes three times what my husband does, annually. My husband has a college degree and my cousin does not.
To: null and void
As I see, if this scheme, or the even more extreme scheme that other party is flogging pass, the only long term career paths for Americans are: Welfare recipient, Politician, CEO and Lawyer. And I'm not sure about the CEO's and Lawyers.You nailed it Nully. My sentiments exactly. My other son is in the trades, electrical, construction, etc., and his pay scale has gone way down, and the jobs just aren't out there. No.. not even in Mass and NH. I do know about Calif and FL and I see who's doing all his kind of work there, and I know what they're making. Nothing he can live on.
You have to be a little nuts today to pay the college tuitions knowing that your job is probably going to be outsourced to some other country by the time you get out. Every day our big companys are closing shops and filing chapter 11's trying to stay viable.
Oh, to that list of yours,.. add Walmart, Time Warner and a few others that are sucking up everyone else.. Pretty soon every community will have a Mall with a Walmart, a Home Depot, and a Medi-mart or the like for our free prescriptions.. Then we'll be all set..right?
From cradle to grave, our government, Local and Federal will solve it all for us..and guess what that's called???
9,472
posted on
02/01/2004 8:40:32 AM PST
by
grannie9
(He who laughs, lasts!)
To: Conservababe
Note that plumber is on my list.
9,473
posted on
02/01/2004 8:40:41 AM PST
by
null and void
(I'm worried, I'm tired, I'm cranky, and I'm off my meds...)
To: Conservababe
Did you just make my point? ;)
9,474
posted on
02/01/2004 8:41:41 AM PST
by
grannie9
(He who laughs, lasts!)
To: null and void
I don't know what the answer is, but I do know one thing.. I haven't heard it out of any half-ways normal Pol yet. At least not one that could possibly get elected before the dirty deed is done..
9,475
posted on
02/01/2004 8:44:56 AM PST
by
grannie9
(He who laughs, lasts!)
To: grannie9
Normal people just don't go into politics. You have to be broken or evil to want the job.
Either a politician is power mad, or like his kissin' cousins in the entertainment industry, can not survive without mass quantities of adoring fans/voters worshiping their every move.
Perhaps that is why Hollywood supports so many weak spirited politicians. The recognize kindred spirits, and understand where they are coming from.
Not bad, heavy philosophy on my first cup of coffee...
9,476
posted on
02/01/2004 8:56:39 AM PST
by
null and void
(I'm worried, I'm tired, I'm cranky, and I'm off my meds...)
To: null and void
Normal people just don't go into politics. You have to be broken or evil to want the job.
End of story.
Excellent work on only the first cuppa, Nully.
Off for more ammo.
Cheers, friends.
9,477
posted on
02/01/2004 9:02:37 AM PST
by
lodwick
(Wake up, America!)
To: grannie9
No, I don't think I made your point. LOL
My cousin is a master plumber. It takes years to go through apprenticeships, but you don't owe anyone any money when you achieve that level. He works big construction jobs only now. But years ago, his only competition was from Roto Rooter, a franchise.
To: Conservababe
Oh, I made my point alright.
9,479
posted on
02/01/2004 9:09:38 AM PST
by
null and void
(I'm worried, I'm tired, I'm cranky, and I'm off my meds...)
EDITOR'S NOTE: Oh, how we do miss "The Misanthrope's Corner" like this February 5, 2001 beaut, in which the incomparable Florence King, savanting idiocy across the fruited plains, warns America that it is under attack the Invasion of the Duh People!
But will anyone listen!
Of course, this column, and all of Miss King's curmudgeonly oeuvre for National Review, can be found, and enjoyed, in STET, Damnit, The Misanthrope's Corner, 1991 to 2002, which is available only from NR. Order it securely here.
The other day I made a phone call to reschedule an appointment with a new optician. I sensed something memorable was going to happen as soon as I heard the receptionist's voice. It was trite and flat, incapable of expressing joy or sorrow, excitement or serenity, aversion or ardor: the voice that people imitate when they say, "Duh."
Lo and behold, that's exactly what she effectively said in our ensuing exchange.
"What did you say your name was?"
"King."
"How do you spell that?"
It was a first. I've been through some rough patches in my time, but they were eased by certain small advantages life has dealt me. One is my name. Among the auxiliary reasons why I never married (never mind the main one) is that I hated to give up a path-smoother like King. Many people spend their lives correcting the spelling and pronunciation of their names, and it's hard work, but in this, at least, I've always belonged to the leisure class.
If his receptionist couldn't spell King, what was the optician who hired her like? I wouldn't trust these baby bloodshots to just anybody, to paraphrase Lynda Carter, so instead of rescheduling the appointment I canceled it.
The receptionist was the most extreme example of a human posthole I've yet encountered, but by no means the only one. The Invasion of the Duh People is upon us. Duhs are at the gates, and usually on the telephone. They seem to cluster in that mangled universe known as Customer Service assigning order numbers, straightening out exchanges and returns, and computing state sales taxes. Our calls are very important to them, which is why I dread buying, subscribing, complaining, or inquiring about anything whatsoever.
Take my catalog order. In the "Color" block I wrote "1st choice, blue; 2nd, green," but all I got was a postcard saying, "We are unable to fill your order. Please call our toll-free number." I did. When the rep came on, I gave her my order number and she pulled it up on her computer and read my name and address back to me. "Right," I said.
Then, silence. A long silence. I thought she had put me on hold but there was no rock music, and it didn't sound like hold somehow. The silence had a nice antiquated sound, making me think of the days when a clerk simply laid the phone down and "stepped away from her desk" to retrieve an actual file from an actual file cabinet.
As my reverie faded, I had an eerie feeling that she was still there. "Hello?" I said.
"Yes." Just that, no more, not even an inflection.
"I got a card saying you're unable to fill my order but it doesn't say why."
"We didn't know what color you wanted."
Nearly two minutes had passed in total silence, yet she had sat there in ox-like placidity, waiting for me to speak first, unable even to bring herself to prompt me. I had to supply all the initiative.
Then there's newspaper delivery. To a Duh, my Sunday-only subscription and my neighbor's weekday-only subscription must be the same subscription, so they placed mine at his door. When, six phone calls later, I finally convinced them that I was the Sunday subscriber, they started putting his at my door. This way, the whole block gets to watch two people stealing each other's newspapers.
Smart people work in Customer Service too, but there's no way to be sure of getting one, and less chance of keeping one. Follow-through is a thing of the past at the "communication centers" where Customer Service reps are stabled. When you call you must talk to whoever answers. If you get a smart one and ask for her name so you can call her back, she'll just say, "Anyone here can help you." But you never get the same person twice, so each time you have to start at the beginning and tell the same story all over again. Take, for instance, my charge-card snafu involving two secret code numbers based on my birthday and one based on my mother's. It makes less and less sense with each telling, so if you happen to draw a Duh late in the game, the result is two Duhs.
IT'S one thing to have a Duh IQ; quite another to have a Duh attitude, like the interviewees in Jay Leno's sidewalk surveys who grin proudly when they have trouble placing James Madison. Leno's use of the Duh attitude as popular entertainment recalls a wildly popular '40s radio offering, It Pays To Be Ignorant, a bent quiz show whose theme song went: "It pays to be ignorant, to be dumb, to be dense, to be ignorant, it pays to be ignorant just like me!"
This was such a playground favorite that teachers tried to ban it. At my school you got sent to the principal for singing it, but it spoke too clearly to American ideals ever to be entirely squelched. It's still being sung by such devotees of the Duh attitude as New York governor George Pataki, who derided Hillary for quoting E. B. White during her senatorial campaign.
"Mrs. Clinton," he huffed, "quoted some guy, Wyatt or somebody I don't think he was from Brooklyn with some definition of a New Yorker that she must have read somewhere. I don't know who that guy was. I don't know what he wrote. . . . I don't think people from Brooklyn or Peekskill would have quoted that person."
If America were ancient China this would be the Duh Dynasty, but instead of Duh vases and Duh figurines we produce Duh Republicans they prefer "populists" who are forever reaching out to "the real people" with the boastful assurance that it pays to be ignorant. If Pataki ever wants to read something somewhere, let it be James T. Farrell's A World I Never Made. He will meet Al O'Flaherty, a shanty-Irish traveling salesman from the South Side of Chicago who longs to be a gentleman. To that end he carries his well-thumbed copy of Letters of Lord Chesterfield everywhere he goes, quoting from it to prostitutes to reassure them that he'll treat them right.
Al O'Flaherty would break your heart. I don't know about Pataki's.
9,480
posted on
02/01/2004 9:10:24 AM PST
by
lodwick
(Wake up, America!)
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