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You Should Feel Good About the Flock Cameras Debate
The Libertarian Institute ^ | 08/29/2026 | Connor O'Keeffe

Posted on 08/29/2026 9:52:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

In a year as chaotic, violent, and economically destructive as this one has been, it is interesting that, to many Americans, the great villain of 2026 is turning out to be a traffic camera.

But, indeed, we are seeing visceral, cross-partisan opposition to so-called Flock cameras—named after the leading manufacturer of these automated license plate readers—take hold in communities across the country. And that opposition is, to be sure, entirely legitimate.

Flock’s camera networks are based on the idea that, while it would obviously be illegal and unconstitutional for law enforcement at any and all levels to put GPS trackers in everyone’s cars, it would be legal for a cop standing on some street corner to report that they had seen a specific vehicle drive by if it later turned out that that car had either been stolen or used to commit a crime.

But, taking that idea that public observations are not violations of privacy, Flock and similar companies help set up networks of cameras that record and register the license plate, make and model, and identifiable details of every single passing vehicle into a timestamped and searchable national database. And, as more and more of these cameras are added to streets and parking lots all over the country, and they, therefore, get harder and harder to avoid, the data the government has access to becomes essentially indistinguishable from what they would have if there were government GPS trackers in all of our cars.

There are currently around 120,000 of these cameras across forty-nine states, with more being added every day. And the American people are not happy about it.

In a genuine grassroots movement spreading primarily through local Facebook groups and the like, with little coverage outside local media, concerned citizens are doing everything from pressuring local lawmakers to rescind their contracts with Flock Safety to donning masks and cutting the cameras down with electric saws.

And this opposition is starting to have some success. More than fifty jurisdictions have ended their relationships with Flock after local backlash. And, after Flock tried and failed for months to get the wider public to view organizations that track the location of these cameras as terrorists because some have used those locations to avoid, disable, or destroy some, the company announced last week that it was implementing several changes to try and defuse the public anger.

Starting next year, Flock says it plans to cut the default retention period for data stored on their system from 30 days down to 7 days, require its government clients to use the internal system for detecting unusual or potentially abusive searches, require all searches to be tied with a specific case code (with emergency exceptions getting automatically flagged for review), and a few other changes meant to at least appear like they’re addressing the public’s concerns. And Flock has also already removed all federal agencies from its nationwide search database in an earlier public concession.

It’s notable that a government contractor that does no direct business with the public feels this pressured by that public to change its behavior. But even more notable is how ineffective the normal propaganda that gets rolled out to justify these kinds of advancements in government surveillance has been this time around.

The familiar tropes that government officials are only gathering this kind of data on all of us because it’s crucial for our safety or that it only ought to bother us if we’re criminals with something to hide are not just falling on deaf ears, they’re being widely ridiculed.

That’s certainly, in part, because there have already been plenty of documented cases of police officers and government officials using the Flock database to track the activities of romantic partners, ex-partners, people now dating their ex-partners, and more. All of that, of course, constitutes warrantless government surveillance for the personal interest of the officials with access to the technology, without even the semblance of a legitimate investigation. There have also been several dangerous, nearly-life-threatening cases of drivers being pursued and held at gunpoint because Flock cameras mistakenly identified them as criminal suspects.

But what’s really driving the widespread rage is not how the cameras are currently being used, or misused. It’s how they could be used in the future.

People across the political spectrum are concerned about this technology being used for everything from detecting stay-at-home order violations in a future pandemic to rounding up and deporting people because the government doesn’t like their political opinions. This is a remarkably healthy mindset for the public to hold. Basically, don’t let the government grab power you wouldn’t trust your political enemies to wield.

But also, this is why the controversy surrounding Flock cameras has grown so large and why it’s quickly emerging as one of the major political issues ahead of the midterms. It’s not really about the specific workings of this one brand of automated license plate readers. It’s because the public’s presumption that our elites and institutions are acting in good faith has completely evaporated.

The American people do not trust the people in charge enough to be reassured by promises about how this new surveillance infrastructure will be used. And that is good. Because we should not trust the people in charge. They have, fortunately, made that very clear in recent years—which is why we’re seeing such a political revolt against incumbents.

But, going back, all the government power grabs that have brought us to this point—the PATRIOT Act, the invasion of Iraq, the banker bailouts, the insurance industry bailout known as Obamacare, the covid lockdowns, and more—all of it was only possible because enough of the public fell for the lie that the government was acting in their interest.

The fanatical opposition to Flock cameras is evidence that that lie isn’t working right now. Let’s hope that lesson is not easily unlearned.



TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Government; Society
KEYWORDS: 1984truth; axon; axondevices; cameras; flock; flockcameras; motorola; surveillance
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1 posted on 08/29/2026 9:52:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Basically, don’t let the government grab power you wouldn’t trust your political enemies to wield.

This is a good principle to keep in mind. When "your" party is in control, it's common for people to start talking about ending the filibuster, take shortcuts in the legislative process, let bureaucracies act with powers not granted to them and so forth. But the same people would scream bloody murder if the other party does the same when they are in power.

2 posted on 08/29/2026 10:07:16 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: SeekAndFind
"while it would obviously be illegal and unconstitutional for law enforcement at any and all levels to put GPS trackers in everyone’s cars, it would be legal for a cop standing on some street corner to report that they had seen a specific vehicle drive by if it later turned out that that car had either been stolen or used to commit a crime"

The Stasi: Inside the Twisted World of East Germany‘s Secret Police

The Stasi‘s surveillance extended far beyond the realm of suspected dissidents and political activists. Ordinary citizens found themselves subjected to intrusive monitoring of their personal lives, with the Stasi keeping meticulous records on everything from their shopping habits and sexual activities to their private conversations and social circles. The organization even went so far as to collect and store samples of individuals‘ body odors, believing that this could help them track suspects.

To carry out its vast surveillance operations, the Stasi relied on a combination of human intelligence and advanced technology. Miniature cameras and hidden microphones were installed in homes, offices, and public spaces, while specially trained agents were dispatched to infiltrate suspect groups and monitor individuals of interest. The Stasi also developed sophisticated computer databases to store and analyze the vast amounts of information it collected, creating a system that was far ahead of its time in terms of its scope and efficiency.

3 posted on 08/29/2026 10:07:58 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The American people do not trust the people in charge enough to be reassured by promises about how this new surveillance infrastructure will be used. And that is good. Because we should not trust the people in charge. They have, fortunately, made that very clear in recent years—which is why we’re seeing such a political revolt against incumbents.

But, going back, all the government power grabs that have brought us to this point—the PATRIOT Act, the invasion of Iraq, the banker bailouts, the insurance industry bailout known as Obamacare, the covid lockdowns, and more—all of it was only possible because enough of the public fell for the lie that the government was acting in their interest."

And while there may be CCP chicanery, beware those making a blanket accusation that raising questions and objections make you an operative or dupe of the CCP. Its the same playbook used against those raising questions about the Covid jab, election integrity, the dollars shoved mindlessly into Ukraine, doubts about the Patriot Act/Section 702 of FISa, etc....

4 posted on 08/29/2026 10:16:53 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Never trust the government “Chief ten bears”


5 posted on 08/29/2026 10:56:07 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Keyhopper; Big Red Badger; null and void; Jane Long; Red Badger; rx; rxsid; Diogenesis; ...
[Never Trust The Government: “Chief Ten Bears”]

Vee are Vatching You, Global Citizen

Digital ID / Digital Surveillance, Digital Tracking
Please Keep Your Phone Turned ON

Carry On as if Things are Normal.
Thank You For Your Cooperation.



6 posted on 08/29/2026 11:29:01 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They Did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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7 posted on 08/30/2026 12:29:40 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: Fresh Wind
Definitely a keeper 👍👍👍

It's Crazy Scary how that's Fast Becoming Reality™️



8 posted on 08/30/2026 1:45:10 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They Did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SeekAndFind
The fanatical opposition …

The article confirms its bias.

9 posted on 08/30/2026 1:50:25 AM PDT by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump)
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To: HIDEK6

The fanatical supporter, confirmed by your comment.


10 posted on 08/30/2026 3:27:10 AM PDT by TermLimits4All ("If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The author is quite ignorant about GPS trackers, as the article said it would be illegal to put them into cars. Every car and pickup made since around 2023 has one. The surveillance folks need the vehicle VIN to figure out the signal given off for each vehicle, which makes it somewhat inconvenient.

I purchased a signal detector, figured out which circuit is the culprit giving off the signal, and pulled the fuse for that circuit.

The best surveillance device is a little Trojan Horse called the cell phone. If you don’t want to be tracked via cell phone, just pull the battery. I’m willing to bet the J6’ers wish they had while sitting in DC dungeons.


11 posted on 08/30/2026 4:19:37 AM PDT by redfreedom (The Forth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Flock is bad. The Axon devices are worse. Both need to be banned or curtailed. Motorola’s too.


12 posted on 08/30/2026 4:24:59 AM PDT by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Re “… the public’s presumption that our elites and institutions are acting in good faith has completely evaporated...”

That presumption ended a long time ago.


13 posted on 08/30/2026 4:33:28 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary )
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To: SeekAndFind
The underlying problem with cameras everywhere is the problem of what constitutes a crime. If there is no victim and no injury was a crime even committed? Yet with omni present cameras evidence of wrong-doing is everywhere.

If you relieve your self while hiking in the woods, doing it behind a tree and out of sight of others have you committed a public offense because there was a camera in that spot which observed you commit an act of indecent exposure and even documented it in indelible computer memory? And let us suppose that these are woods frequented by bears and deer and racoons and squirrels and all kinds of birds all answering nature's call so there isn't an issue about public sanitation.

14 posted on 08/30/2026 4:41:28 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: EnderWiggin1970
It's funny on this website when I get called nasty names for that. When I say things like “a major remodeling of the White House should be authorized by Congress” or “emergency tariffs against every country in the world simultaneously isn't a power given to the president” I get called a TDS suffering commiecrat. The same people were calling for impeachment when Biden tried to cancel every student loan because that spending wasn't authorized by Congress and other extreme stretches with executive orders.
15 posted on 08/30/2026 5:05:41 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (If the Islamic Republic government is in power in Iran when the war is over, we will have lost.)
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To: redfreedom

Most phones now have a soldered battery that can’t be removed without major surgery.


16 posted on 08/30/2026 5:07:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (If the Islamic Republic government is in power in Iran when the war is over, we will have lost.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am told that it is illegal for me to obscure my license plate from law enforcement, whether with an viewing angle restrictive or IR blocking plate cover, a convenient mud splash or even an FOP badge (well maybe not the last). Does the same rule apply for private cameras? Let's say I design a LCD plate cover which quickly alternates between blocking one side or the other of my plate. Visually, it us fast enough so it just dims my plate, but high speed cameras would only see half the plate. Also add some high power IR LEDs around the plate. Now I tie the Flock database into these so the blinking only turns on when I'm in view of one of their cameras. I'm not preventing the police from seeing it, just a private company. “Not the police, just a private company” is the excuse why fourth amendment protections don't apply to them, so can I use it against them?
17 posted on 08/30/2026 5:25:31 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (If the Islamic Republic government is in power in Iran when the war is over, we will have lost.)
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To: KarlInOhio

flock sock


18 posted on 08/30/2026 6:14:21 AM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial........)
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To: redfreedom
The author is quite ignorant about GPS trackers, as the article said it would be illegal to put them into cars. Every car and pickup made since around 2023 has one. The surveillance folks need the vehicle VIN to figure out the signal given off for each vehicle, which makes it somewhat inconvenient.

I have a 2025 car. It has it's own phone number to download app updates and do things like remote start and find my car. The car also has bluetooth and wifi for CarPlay. I doubt if any people are going to turnoff those services.

19 posted on 08/30/2026 6:30:24 AM PDT by EVO X ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

Bkmk


20 posted on 08/30/2026 6:58:20 AM PDT by sauropod (Make sure Satan has to climb over a lot of Scripture to get to you. John MacArthur Ne supra crepidam)
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