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The Gaza death toll narrative depends on pretending Hamas never kills Gazans. In reality, Hamas & PIJ killed 1000s from internal violence and misfired rockets—then get counted as civilians killed by IDF
X ^ | Feb 9, 2026 | S. Aizenberg

Posted on 02/08/2026 7:36:56 PM PST by Words Matter

Aizenberg @Aizenberg55:

The Gaza death toll narrative depends on pretending Hamas never kills Gazans. In reality, Hamas & PIJ killed 1000s from internal violence and misfired rockets—then get counted as civilians killed by IDF. Numerous reports and incidents like the one below document this clearly.



TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; hanas; hezbollah; iran; islamofascism; israel; muslimonmuslimcrimes; pallyweid; pij; selfinfliction; swordsofiron; waronterror; yemen

1 posted on 02/08/2026 7:36:56 PM PST by Words Matter
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To: Words Matter

So your implication is that these crimes by Hamas nullify or even somehow justify everything Israel has done to Gaza in the quest for the Greater Israel Project? You do know about that don’t you? What do you think the real story behind October 7th was?


2 posted on 02/08/2026 7:44:18 PM PST by supremedoctrine (u)
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The entire war is a Hamas’ calculated strategy to maximize civilian deaths of both sides


3 posted on 02/08/2026 8:07:41 PM PST by Freeleesy
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To: supremedoctrine

Why don’t you go full “Israeli genocide” while you’re at it ?


4 posted on 02/08/2026 8:44:34 PM PST by A strike (F AirstripOne. & No more dots.)
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To: A strike

Oh man you are far behind the learning curve. They all but admit their ultimate goal is (well, they’d never use the actual word “genocide” of course) but the complete annihilation of all Palestinians living in those areas-—do your homework.


5 posted on 02/08/2026 8:55:56 PM PST by supremedoctrine (u)
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To: supremedoctrine

Don’t act like you weren’t implying what you were, dou


6 posted on 02/08/2026 9:37:24 PM PST by A strike (F AirstripOne. & No more dots.)
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To: supremedoctrine
You admit you are full "Israeli genocide".
7 posted on 02/08/2026 9:40:47 PM PST by A strike (F AirstripOne. & No more dots.)
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To: Words Matter

One of the things that most surprised me about Islam is that Mozlems murder more of each other than Infidels. From this I conclude if the best way to achieve eternal life is by the murder of others then the nut jobs who believe this will find an excuse to murder someone locally rather than travel to kill an infidel.


8 posted on 02/08/2026 10:50:20 PM PST by Nateman (Democrats did not strive for fraud friendly voting merely to continue honest elections.)
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To: Words Matter

I think Zelensky is more honest than Hamas on this topic
That’s saying something
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It’s still a high number and if you’re gonna take that political heat despite 10-7 having unfortunately an undeserved short shelf life then you damn sure need to finish the job
Bibi you listening


9 posted on 02/08/2026 11:32:27 PM PST by wardaddy (If u hate Trump you’re stupid or clueless what’s going on)
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To: supremedoctrine

When you look at the quality of life of people living under the Israeli government (even with terrorist attacks), it is FAR superior to anything their neighbors have to offer. So I like your idea of a “Greater Israel Project” as an awesome humanitarian project I could really get behind. Though sadly I don’t think anything like that is in the works.


10 posted on 02/08/2026 11:42:54 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: supremedoctrine

What an idiot !
If genocide was their goal you sure as hell would have expected Israel to have done it !
IDJIT !!


11 posted on 02/08/2026 11:50:24 PM PST by A strike (F AirstripOne. & No more dots.)
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To: Words Matter

No one tell Cucker Tarlson or Hamandace Owens. They need their “Gaza Massacre” narrative to continue to keep fleecing their moronic fans


12 posted on 02/09/2026 9:52:23 AM PST by pissant ((Deport them all))
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1. Who were the editors [user names] advocating for the "Gaza (so-called) genocide" accusation on page in Wikipedia?

Based on analysis of the Wikipedia talk page discussions and edit history, several editors advocated for content that framed the events in Gaza as a genocide, including supporting the page title change from "Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" to "Gaza genocide" (which occurred around May 3, 2024, or July 2024 per external reports), adding sources affirming genocide, and arguing for wikivoice (neutral Wikipedia voice) on the topic. Key usernames include:

External reports (e.g., from ADL, INSS, Jewish Journal) highlight a group of about 30 editors accused of coordinated pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel bias, including injecting genocide claims. Six were banned in January 2025 for disruptive editing: Selfstudier, Nableezy, Nishidani, Levivich, Iskandar323, Makeandtoss (pro-Palestinian camp). These editors were active in adding content supporting the genocide framing before bans.

2. Have any editors, advocating for the so-called "genocide", been accused of bias and/or coordinated editing? Which usernames were they, [elaborated] list as many as possible?

Yes, multiple accusations of bias and coordinated editing have been leveled against editors advocating for the genocide framing. Sources like ADL's 2025 report identified at least 30 editors circumventing policies to introduce anti-Israel bias, including genocide narratives. INSS and Jewish Journal reports describe coordinated efforts via Discord, tag-teaming, and hidden pages to entrench pro-Palestinian narratives. Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee banned eight editors in January 2025 for disruptive behavior in Israel-Palestine articles, with six from the pro-Palestinian side (accused of bias toward genocide claims). Accusations include selection bias in sources, original research, violating neutrality (WP:NPOV), and relitigating RfCs.

Elaborated list (from talk page, history, and external reports):



Broader context: Reports (e.g., Bloomberg, Times of Israel) note edit wars, with pro-Palestinian editors accused of exploiting democratic processes to slander Israel. Co-founder Jimmy Wales locked the page in November 2025 citing "egregious" anti-Israel bias.

3. Were any editors known to be anti-Israel—especially those known to work in coordination—involved in determining what qualifies as a “reliable source”?

Yes, accusations point to coordinated anti-Israel editors influencing reliable source (RS) determinations. ADL report: 30 editors coordinated to deem sources critical of Israel (e.g., Al Jazeera) as reliable while downgrading pro-Israel ones (e.g., ADL as unreliable on conflict in June 2024). INSS: Anti-Israel editors dominate content frameworks and source admissibility, leading to bias in genocide articles relying on anti-Israel groups. Talk page: Indirect mentions of bias in source selection (e.g., Alexandraaaacs1989's sources called lower quality; Shira Klein cited for rift in genocide studies). Banned editors like Iskandar323, Levivich involved in RS debates favoring sources like UN/Albanese (anti-Israel per critiques). No direct usernames tied solely to RS, but coordinated group (per Discord evidence in Jewish Journal) advanced to influential positions, referring dissenters to Arbitration Committee.

4. On what date in 2024 did Wikipedians succeed in 'elevating' the so-called "Gaza genocide" from 'allegations' to a supposed 'fact'? And which usernames promoted this elevation?

The page was renamed from "Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" to "Gaza genocide" on May 3, 2024 (per history/Wikipedia sources), or July 2024 (per some reports like New Arab, Times of Israel). This marked the elevation to framing as fact via wikivoice. Consensus built through RfC in mid-2024, citing emerging sources (e.g., UN experts March 2024 on "reasonable grounds," ICJ May 2024 on Rafah). Added to "List of genocides" in November 2024 after September RfC close.

Promoting usernames: Alexandraaaacs1989 (RfC on consensus), Aquillion (supported), Bogazicili (sources), Coining (RfC expansion), NadVolum (inclusion), Greensminded24 (templates/lead), Cinaroot, Darouet, David A, Dualpendel, Newimpartial, Raskolnikov.Rev, Smallangryplanet, Tashmetu, VidanaliK. Banned ones like Selfstudier, Nableezy promoted pre-ban

5. Did the so-called "reliable sources" include (Islamist bigot, semi-dictator, expansionist [a]) Erdoğan's TRT/Anadolu; Hamas-linked Euro-Med; MSF (- whose members included Hamas {b} ); (pro-Hamas/Islamism-) Qatar's [c] Hamas-linked al Jazeera [d], MEE; anti-Israel (at times, blatantly anti-Jewish) activists/"journalists" of Haaretz [e]? And were the UN's Francesca Albanese (with an antisemitic record at least since 2014 and dubbed 21st-century Goebbels [f]) and the UN commission (by team Pillay/Kothary - of the 2022 "Jewish control" trope [g]) as well as the $30 membership, no qualifications, activists and others [h] IAGS central to it? Were IAGS's only 28% responders' votes framed as "scholars?" Given that IAGS includes activists and artists among its members, and that only 28% voted, how can we be sure that most of those who participated were not activists? Was Louis-Klein critique of Dirk Moses, editor of the Journal of Genocide Research included?

Yes, many listed are cited as reliable sources supporting genocide claims:


UN's Albanese: Central (2024 reports "Anatomy of a Genocide," "Genocide as colonial erasure"; March 2024 reasonable grounds; June 2024 arms halt; October 2024/2025 statements calling Italy an accomplice).

UN commission (Pillay/Kothari): Cited (September 2024/2025 reports finding genocide via prohibited acts; "fully conclusive evidence" of intent; incitement comparisons to Rwanda).

IAGS: Central (August 31, 2025 resolution declaring genocide; infrastructure destruction). Vote: 28% participation (one-fifth support per some; 86% of participants yes). Framed as "scholars" consensus (e.g., president Melanie O’Brien: "definitive statement from experts"). Critiques: Low turnout, voluntary bias; includes activists/artists ($30 fee, no checks); dissident Sara Brown noted anti-Israel sources like Amnesty/Albanese. Not assured most were scholars vs. activists.

Louis-Klein critique of Dirk Moses: Included in some versions (2025 questioning Moses' pro-genocide stance; Journal of Genocide Research September 2025 on biases).

Critiques (from user links/user-provided): Not directly in WP, but external: Erdoğan's support for Hamas; MSF ties to terror; Qatar/Hamas funding; Al Jazeera/Hamas links; Haaretz anti-Israel bias; Albanese antisemitism; Kothari UN bias; IAGS low credibility (28% vote, activists).

6. Did it include the opinion of Joseph Massad, a neo-Nazi-material-like propagandist and celebrator of the October 7 massacres?

Yes, in some versions: Massad's opinions framed as "colonial tradition" of genocide, "war on demographics," "terminal stage of a settler-colony in crisis" (citations 360-362). Not in all summaries/discussions.

7. Was it ever mentioned who Israel is fighting against—the Gaza regime, genocidal Hamas, (its charter, speeches, methods and "to kill as many as possible" plabs) and other terror groups—and their methods of maximizing civilian casualties (including preventing evacuation, hoarding food, robbing aid, use of civilian infrastructure and hospitals, the use of their own civilians - not just IDF sources) on both sides?

Partially: Israel described fighting Hamas post-October 7, 2023 attacks (1,139 killed, abductions, sexual violence). Hamas charter implied in military aims/governance, but not detailed. Methods: Bombardment/invasion/blockade/starvation; human shields inferred (ICJ case); maximizing casualties via permissive policies/AI targeting (Abraham 2024; "Lavender" system; "kill zones" Haaretz). No deep on Hamas genocidal intent (user links: Atlantic 2023 on ideology; Telegraph 2023 on killing children; Hill 2024 Israel not genocidal, Hamas is). IDF measures noted (phone calls/texts/leaflets/roof-knocking; control center monitoring civilians) but countered (non-compliance, shooting unarmed). Human shields/use of civilians: Not directly, but inferred in embeddings. Preventing evacuation/hoarding: Not mentioned. Sources like NYT 2024 on tunnels/ambushes; WSJ 2024 on civilian bloodshed strategy; Post 2023 on human shields; JPost 2023/2025 on blocking evacuation/hoarding.

8. Were any of the 537 scholars denouncing the "genocide" propaganda mentioned in the Wikipedia article? (5 times the 28% IAGS voters).

No, not mentioned. Article notes scholarly disputes (e.g., Dirk Moses 2025 on biases; John Spencer on no intent; Louis-Klein 2025; Satloff on IAGS low support). User link: Times of Israel September 2025 on 500+ experts demanding IAGS retract.

9. Are IDF's measures taken to minimize casualties, mentioned?

Yes, noted in some (e.g., early statements urging civilians avoid Hamas; Netanyahu 2023 ethical conduct; control center monitoring movements; precautions like phone calls/texts/leaflets/roof-knocking). Countered by non-compliance evidence (shooting unarmed per NBC; aid killings per Guardian). User links: Forbes 2024 on precautions; JPost 2024 expert on minimizing more than history.

10. About Gallant clearly bravado words used at the heat of the Oct 7 moment. Was the following ever explained?

Partially: Gallant's October 9, 2023 statement ("complete siege... fighting human animals") quoted in full Hebrew/English, framed as dehumanizing/genocidal intent per UN/Mother Jones. No explicit omission note, but full quote includes "act accordingly." User explanation (Bulwark 2024): Quotes omitted "eliminate it all" referring to Hamas, not population.

11. Was this denial included? "IDF disputes Gaza death toll after reports cite Hamas-run Health Ministry figures." And the position that some estimated 25,000 killed were terrorists?

Yes: Disputes noted. Gaza Health Ministry figures (71,600 by Jan 2026; deemed reliable by UN/WHO/IDF broadly accurate). IDF: 8,900 militants killed (83% civilian per Guardian); estimates ~25,000 terrorists killed (~36,000 civilians, 1.5:1 ratio). Undercounting per Lancet 2025 (41%; 186,000+ indirect). User links: Ynet/IDF 2026 disputes 70,000; HonestReporting 2026 no acceptance; National Post 2026 on lies.

12. Is Yuval Avraham/LocalCall/The Guardian’s silly idea—that because they saw only about 9,000 terrorist names, all the rest must supposedly be “civilians”—really still being cited there as valid “data”?

Yes: Cited (December 2023/September 2024 analysis publishing identities, confirming reliability per Le Monde; 70% women/children verified; 83% civilian 2025 data; AI "Lavender" for bombings).

13. Was that sloppy historian / liar Ilan Pappe's opinions used?

Yes: In De Vogli et al. 2025; August 2025 Lancet co-authored arguing break silence on genocide. Related scholars like Sultany cited.

12. Did B’Tselem, the so-called “human rights” group, ever advocate for the rights of any Jews when it did not involve Arabs? Yes or no. (Short yes or no answer, without propagating for them or "explaining" their "focus").

No.

13. Did most "genocide" accusers already engage in the "apartheid" accusation propaganda [The other pallyweid buzzword]? [Agenda, predictability] Yes: Amnesty (2024 genocide; 2022 apartheid); HRW (2024 genocidal acts; 2021 apartheid); B'Tselem (2023/2025 genocide; 2021 apartheid); UN (2024/2025 genocide; ICJ 2024 illegal occupation violating anti-racism); MESA (2024 genocidal violence); ICJ (plausible genocide rights; apartheid links).

14. The circulation of shocking images in major media, while in fact “all 12 suffer from other health problems,” influencing emotional reactions that contributed to the “starvation” accusation, has this factor been included on the Wikipedia page? Partially: Images cited (destruction February 2025; Al-Shifa overcrowding October 2023; ambulances January 2024; mosques February 2025; aid August 2024; mass graves April 2024). Tied to starvation (IPC 2025 famine; 463 deaths; 10,000+ estimated; child amputees; disease). No mention of "all 12 suffer from other health problems" (user link: Free Press 2025).

15. Was the pressure to accuse with "genocide", without believing it, noted? Was it mentioned on the Wikipedia page?

No on page (implied media critiques like Intercept 2024 on NYT avoiding "genocide"; state hypocrisy). User link: JNS 2026 legislator on political pressure.

[16. Finishing of with this: when was the first time that Arabs in the holy land screamed "we will drink the blood of the Jews?"

April 4-7, 1920, during Nebi Musa riots in Jerusalem. Crowd chanted "Nashrab dam al-Yahud" ("We will drink the blood of the Jews") amid pogrom (200+ injured, 6 killed, rapes).

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Source:
Wikipedia Gaza Genocide Page Editors and Bias - Grok. (.2.10.26)
13 posted on 02/10/2026 3:53:12 AM PST by Words Matter
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To: pissant
Candace Mengele Owens - since she sees to "deny" bhis crimes
14 posted on 02/10/2026 4:20:22 AM PST by Words Matter
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To: Words Matter

She has a brain the size of a pea.


15 posted on 02/10/2026 9:17:17 AM PST by pissant ((Deport them all))
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Aizenberg @Aizenberg55:
📌The WHO—not Hamas or Israel—delivered one of the most decisive Gaza war data points. It reported 603,000 children under 10 vaccinated in early 2025—MORE than the pre-war population of that age group! Every claim of excessive or undercounted fatalities collapses with this data.

Jan 21, 2026
16 posted on 02/11/2026 9:10:43 AM PST by Words Matter
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