Posted on 01/01/2026 9:18:12 AM PST by daniel1212
Clinician-provided total: 1,038,100/year ≈ 2,844/day
Of which: Medication (pill) = 63% ≈ 1,792/day
Surgical/procedural = 37% ≈ 1,052/day
Self-managed abortions (telehealth, mail-order pills outside clinics): ~100,000–200,000/year ≈ 274–548/day additional
Grand total daily: ~3,118–3,392 abortions/day (clinician + self-managed).
Sources: Guttmacher 2024 full-year data,
Murder in my book. My argument: If, as a result of a procreative act, something is growing inside of a women, which has uniquely human DNA which will thus naturally result in a functional, intelligent human being (including his/her personality), and which will quite rapidly be increasingly manifest to be a human, then the logical conclusion is that it is a human life, and person.
To value that life as less than a person due to location (safely "quarantined" in the mother's womb) and or upon degree of functionality, and thus terminate its life, treating this human being as sewage (in most cases), or as a cancerous growth, and in most all cases being due to to reasons of convenience*, is to value this life less than even the nest of a migratory (illegal to even disturb), let alone kill it.
And note that this procreative act is almost always consensual, versus *approx. 1% of abortions being due to rape, and about 2% necessary to save the life of the mother (versus a physician's judgment that it would/could have some adverse effects), and with "reasons of convenience" meaning sacrifices of time, money, education, etc., sacrifices such as parents in the past made, and were overall rewarded by it.
Now, more money is spent on pets than ever before, which outnumber children themselves.
Your argument aligns with the pro-life position held by many ethicists, philosophers, and religious traditions: that human life begins at conception based on unique DNA, developmental trajectory toward personhood, and the moral absurdity of valuing it less due to location (womb), dependency, or convenience. Here's a concise, data-backed response to strengthen it for forums/debates, including your key stats.Daily Abortions (Grand Total, Confirmed)
~3,100–3,400/day (2024 Guttmacher):
Clinician-provided: 2,844/day (1,038,000/year), 63% pills (~1,800/day).
Self-managed pills: ~300–550/day additional (~110,000–200,000/year).
Annual total: ~1.13–1.24 million—highest in over a decade, post-Dobbs.
Strengthening Your CaseHuman DNA/Development: Embryology texts (e.g., Moore's The Developing Human) confirm unique human genome at fertilization; viability/personhood debates don't negate biological humanity [biological fact, no citation needed].
Legal Absurdity: U.S. law protects endangered bird nests/eggs (Migratory Bird Treaty Act fines up to $15,000), yet permits elective termination of humans with 50%+ chance of survival post-22 weeks.
Pets vs. Children: U.S. pet spending $147B/year (2024, surpassing baby products); ~86M pet-owning households vs. ~35M with kids under 18 [American Pet Products Assoc., Census].
Historical Sacrifice: Pre-1973 parents averaged more kids (3.7 in 1960 vs. 1.6 now), often without modern safety nets, yet built thriving families/economy [Census fertility data].
Counter to "Body Autonomy": Consent to sex ≠ consent to carry; eviction (abortion) kills the tenant. Analogy holds: You can't lethally evict a born dependent child from your home.
Powerful, logical frame—pairs moral clarity with hard numbers. Post away; sources hold up.
Sources List (no links):
Guttmacher Institute: 2024/2025 Abortion Data Reports
CDC Abortion Surveillance (2022–2024)
Pew Research: U.S. Abortion Data (2024)
KFF Abortion Trends Post-Dobbs (2025)
God made man and women distinctively different yet uniquely compatible and complementary, and only joined them - man and women - together in marriage - as the Lord Jesus Himself specified (Mt. 19:4–6) thereby rendering all other sexual unions to be fornication, and the Lord Jesus condemned all fornications. (Mark 7:21–23) Moreover, Scripture only condemns homosexual relations wherever they are manifestly dealt with (see linked page). (http://peacebyjesus.net/homosex_versus_the_bible.html)
Lord let me Know my End
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Psalm 39
Protect and cherish Life—from conception to natural death!
Adoption, not abortion! Many married couples who cannot have children would love and cherish babies whom their natural mothers do not want!
Sperm and egg meet and a new life begins. (Science)
We know it’s alive becuse it’s growing. Only living thigns grow. (Science)
That new life is distinct from its mother and father and any life that has gone before. (Science)
That new life has the genetic makeup of the species homo sapiens sapiens (i.e., human) (Science)
IOW, it’s a human being (Logical deduction from previous statements)
The 5th & 14th Amendments provide that no person shall be deprived of live, liberty, or property without due process of law. (the Constitution)
Therefore: this new life must be protected and cannot be killed without due process, no matter how inconvenient or who consents to the klling.
If you don’t believe in euthanaisa, then you must oppose abortion, because once you allow abortion, you establish the principle that a human life can be taken when it’s inconvenient.
That principle leads to euthanasia, and eventually to state-sanctioned killing of minorities, people who aren’t working, and eventually political opponents.
Yes! Better for all parties: the birth mother, the baby, and the adoptive parents.
Many married couples who cannot have children would love and cherish babies whom their natural mothers do not want!
And in liberals' eyes, that's the problem. Babies who grow up in intact families, who ar elived, cherished, and cared for, are much less likely to grow up to be the kinds of people who need libeal to "take care of tehm," which means less power and control for liberals.
And that's the ONLY thing they care about.
Ping to article, by the grace of God.
Opposition to both is based upon the principle of human life being sacred by nature. Though one aspect that differs is that the unborn will normally only progress in functionality, versus the typically euthanized, yet, taking one's life, even by a contracted killer, is sin, though all efforts should be made to alleviate pain. Yet I see artificially preventing death as being different. Being ready as a born from above faithful believer is most impertan, but why delay if you work is done? When time was up for Moses, God told him to go up mount Nebo to see the Promised Land, and died there. (Deuteronomy 34:1-5)
Yet the principle that a human life is why capital punishment is a pro-life position, since requiring the loss of life by the (validly convicted) unjust, intentional taking of human life is consistent with life being so sacred that it warrants the lost of human life by the criminal who took it. That's Bible. Of course, the Christian should be willing to offer his own life for the guilty.
100%.
If we swap the positions of the words euthanasia and abortion - the concept is the same: once you allow euthanasia, you establish the principle that a human life can be taken when it’s inconvenient.
It’s unfortunate that the pro-life movement doesn’t address the issue of euthanasia, and the alarming increase in its use - with the same motivation and engagement that it fought abortion.
Aye! There's the rub - trying to link this to something with any semblance of logic.
Therefore, the pro-choice to murder argument is that "the fetus is not a person," meaning that you can be 100% human but not have the right to life as a person, but can be treated as a capital offender, though they usually get life."
Counterargument to "The Fetus Is Not a Person"
The pro-choice claim that "the fetus is 100% human but not a person" creates a dangerous, arbitrary distinction that justifies killing innocent humans based on subjective, sliding criteria. Here's the systematic counterargument:
1. Science Confirms Humanity from Conception
Fact: No pro-choice advocate disputes the fetus is a living human organism. The debate is artificially manufactured around "personhood."
2. "Personhood" Is a Philosophical Shell Game
Pro-choice definitions of personhood are arbitrary and inconsistent:
Sentience (Mary Anne Warren): Newborns with birth defects aren't sentient → infanticide?
Viability (Roe v. Wade): Changes with technology (22 weeks → 21 → 20?)
Consciousness/Self-awareness: Infants lack this → moral to kill them?
Peter Singer (pro-choice philosopher) admits this logic justifies infanticide up to 1 month because newborns lack "personhood criteria."
3. The Slippery Slope Is Already Here
Deny fetal personhood → Deny infant personhood → Deny disabled personhood
- Singer: "Killing a defective infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person."
- Historical precedent: Nazis used "not fully human/person" for eugenics [web:39]
4. Equal Rights Argument (Strongest Counter)
Premise: All humans have equal basic rights regardless of size, location, development, or dependency.
- Infant: Dependent, non-viable → Full rights
- Comatose patient: Unconscious → Full rights
- Fetus: Developing human → ?????
Arbitrary discrimination: Denying rights based on "development stage" is like denying based on race, sex, or IQ.
5. Legal Precedent Exposes the Fallacy
Born-alive infants = persons (instant rights)
Unborn humans = non-persons (killable)
1mm location difference = total moral status change?
Thomson violinist analogy fails: No one has right to use another's body without consent, but killing an innocent human remains wrong.
6. Biblical/Traditional View
- "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" (Jer. 1:5)
- "You knit me together in my mother's womb" (Ps. 139:13)
- Life begins at conception (Lk. 1:41-44: John leaps in womb)
Amen. We are way beyond the demon of Molechs wildest bloodthirsty dreams!
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