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A Messianic Jew warns: Do Not Idolize Israel
Tuvia Pollack ^ | 2021

Posted on 07/11/2025 7:50:15 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

Israel is and has always been God’s chosen people, and we Jews still have a significant role in his plan.

Of course we need to support Israel’s right to exist and defend itself, and of course Israel is in a war against terrorism and international unjust condemnations. But that doesn’t mean that the government of Israel can do no wrong. Israel is the Apple of God’s eye, and we need to love Israel just as God does. But love also needs to be tough sometimes. If you love Israel, you need to pray for a better future where Israel fulfills God’s plan to be a light unto the nations.

Why is this exaggerated love for Israel dangerous? One of them is that it easily relies on Israel’s expected behavior, which makes the support end abruptly as soon as the opposite is proven. This makes the support shaky at best and impossible at worst. Thank God he doesn’t judge us – or Israel – the same way. We are saved by grace, not work. In the same way, you need to support Israel based on grace, not works.

Another reason it’s dangerous is that it becomes idolatry and steals your focus from the cross. Peter focused on Jesus while walking on water. As soon as the focus went elsewhere, he started sinking. No matter how good the thing you focus on is, if it’s not Christ and him crucified, you are going to sink…

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1 posted on 07/11/2025 7:50:15 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Awaiting the New Jerusalem!
Maranatha!


2 posted on 07/11/2025 7:58:04 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Not all Israel is Israel.


3 posted on 07/11/2025 8:15:48 AM PDT by tcox4575
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I don’t see anyone *idolizing* Israel. Supporting its right to exist and defend itself is not idolizing it.

And nobody is say it can do no wrong.

Why do people feel obligated to rail against figments of their imagination?


4 posted on 07/11/2025 8:20:09 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: metmom

They don’t intend to, but...

“And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth...”


5 posted on 07/11/2025 8:27:16 AM PDT by jjotto ("...saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau...")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

In Gaza, the Palestinians had land and government that they controlled. This land has a very desirable climate, miles of first-class beach frontage, and is close to the affluent people of Europe and the Middle East. Offshore, the Gazans have great hydrocarbon wealth lying beneath their coast.

However, the Gazans chose to attack Israel.

How is a ‘two-state solution’ most Westerners favor going to be possible?

With respect to Gaza, the Israelis held up their part of what would be necessary for a broader ‘two-state solution’.

If one craves civilization, it is necessary for your neighbors to act in a civilized manner.


6 posted on 07/11/2025 8:39:14 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
We are saved by grace, not work. In the same way, you need to support Israel based on grace, not works.

While we are saved by grace, we are to be JUDGED by works.

This is explicit in Revelation 20:12-13, the Parables in Luke 19 and Matthew 25. It's all about judgment according to works.

7 posted on 07/11/2025 8:40:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Judgment according to works for the unbeliever, not the believer. Since the unbeliever has nothing but his works to appeal to for salvation, that’s what’s going to be used to judge him.

The believer’s works are evaluated at the Judgment Seat of Christ and tested to prove their worth, but the believer is already saved by grace through faith in Christ, not as a result of works so that no one has cause to boast about himself.


8 posted on 07/11/2025 8:45:08 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I can’t take anything a messianic “Jew” says about Judaism, as they simply are not Jewish - or if the are by genetics, they have traded away the faith of their fathers, contrary to what God warns us about in Deuteronomy 13:4.

And no one is worshipping the Israeli government, this is a completely made-up argument.


9 posted on 07/11/2025 8:49:02 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: metmom

Applies to Trump too. Would vote for him again and again in a heartbeat. But I am also reminded to pray for his soul. 🙏


10 posted on 07/11/2025 8:49:03 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I know.

My support for him is not about HIM, but about what he’s doing.

I vote policy, not personality. Elections should not be a personality contest and yet too often they are.


11 posted on 07/11/2025 8:55:07 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: All

Am I right with G-d?

Am I justified before G-d?

How can I, a sinful human, be sure?

Can I have that assurance?

https://www.deanbibleministries.org/dbmfiles/notes/Are_You_Right_With_God_2-27-24_final.pdf


12 posted on 07/11/2025 8:57:56 AM PDT by onthelookout777
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To: tcox4575

Exactly. Jesus made it clear.


13 posted on 07/11/2025 9:08:29 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Well, its kind of like a narcissistic puff piece no one asked for.

Or a “bragging” answer to a question no one asked.


14 posted on 07/11/2025 9:11:04 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
....has always been God’s chosen people...

That's false doctrine and is a lie.

Yes, once upon a time, Israel was chosen as God's people:

Deut 14:2: For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Israel's relationship to God was conditioned upon their obedience. If they fell away, which they inevitably did, He was going to destroy them Himself:

1 Kings 9:6,7: But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them: Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

Again:

Deut 4:25,26: When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger: I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

For example, at Kadesh Barnea after the multitude followed the faithless spies' negative report, God was going to destroy them.

Num 14:11,12: And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them? I will smite them with the pestilence, and disinherit them, and will make of thee a greater nation and mightier than they.

Again, after Korah and company were destroyed,

Num 16:41-47: But on the morrow all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron, saying, Ye have killed the people of the LORD. And it came to pass, when the congregation was gathered against Moses and against Aaron, that they looked toward the tabernacle of the congregation: and, behold, the cloud covered it, and the glory of the LORD appeared. And Moses and Aaron came before the tabernacle of the congregation. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Get you up from among this congregation (viz. the entire nation of Israel), that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces. And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from the LORD; the plague is begun. And Aaron took as Moses commanded, and ran into the midst of the congregation; and, behold, the plague was begun among the people: and he put on incense, and made an atonement for the people.

Warned by Joshua

Josh 23:11-13: Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the LORD your God. Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you: Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

Josh 23:16: When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.

1 Kings 14:15-16: For the LORD will strike Israel, as a reed is shaken in the water. He will uproot Israel from this good land which He gave to their fathers, and will scatter them beyond the River, because they have made their wooden images, provoking the LORD to anger. And He will give Israel up because of the sins of Jeroboam, who sinned and who made Israel sin."

Israel exists only as a nation and a political entity which is a staunch ally of the United States. But the only way anybody will be a child of God is through Jesus Christ.

John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John the Baptist even stated this: think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. (Matt 3:9-12)

The entirety of the Old Law was fulfilled at the Cross of Christ. The Old Law was thereby abolished, as was any notion of Israel being anything special to God.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace (Eph 2:15)

The only Jews who will be saved at the end of time will be those who renounce religious error and are faithful Christians.

The ridiculous dispensational nonsense that circulates among "Christians" is derived from twisted interpretations of Revelation as something to be fulfilled in the future. Yet Revelation very plainly sets forth the events were contemporary to the readers.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Again,

Rev. 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rom 10:1-9: Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

15 posted on 07/11/2025 9:11:21 AM PDT by LouAvul (1 John 2:22: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist.)
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To: Brian Griffin

“How is a ‘two-state solution’ most Westerners favor going to be possible?

It’s not possible.

“If one craves civilization, it is necessary for your neighbors to act in a civilized manner.”

Sometimes civilized men must do uncivilized things in order to preserve civilization.

That’s just how things are.

L


16 posted on 07/11/2025 9:20:15 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
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So brave!

17 posted on 07/11/2025 9:31:35 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Brian Griffin
However, the Gazans chose to attack Israel.

Because they are invaders. Their ancestors invaded and massacred Christian and Jews in Gaza. There were 82 churches and 12 synagogues in Gaza in the year of Mohammed's birth. All but 3 churches and all synagogues were destroyed. At least 50 of the mosques are built on the ruins of them, like they have done on the Temple Mount, in Spain, India, and across the East.

All they know is war and conquest. Never peace. The people themselves are the problem in Gaza. They need to go.

18 posted on 07/11/2025 9:34:37 AM PDT by montag813
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’m in favor of all religions except one that believes it is commanded to murder me.

All the rest are more or less fine. They’re not mine, and they all rely on faith like I do.

Christianity is a fine religion. Its adherents behave well and achieve great success. If I were to pick a second favorite, that would be it.

But I was raised with no particular form or strength or belief in Christianity. When Judaism found me in the person of my first wife, I found it fit my belief system and world view so well, I mostly adopted it (See About page).

But I don’t go calling myself some weird name. I call myself a Jew, and everyone knows my caveats.

So when an original Jew goes and converts to Christianity, I think that’s all well and good. They’re welcome to it, and we’re good brethren in the modern world.

But this “Messianic Jew” seems a word salad avoiding real meaning. They’re Christian converts, so far as I can tell. No need for extra words or positioning about that. It just strikes me as strange.

But they’re welcome to it!


19 posted on 07/11/2025 9:46:41 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Nitzy, now with 88% plausibly anti-Semitic posts!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Yes, YESUA comes before anything else,


20 posted on 07/11/2025 9:58:23 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO ODS BEFORE HIM!)
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