Posted on 06/17/2025 5:35:43 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
The endgame of the current Israel-Iran conflict presents two distinct goals: preventing a nuclear Iran and achieving regime change in Tehran. While regime change is a hope for many, the primary and more achievable objective for Israel and the US should be the complete and verifiable dismantlement of Iran’s nuclear program.
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That’s what unconditional surrenders are for.
That allows free reign over their territory, not necessarily “nation building”. It’d be more like Germany and Japan after WWII.
In that environment, no bunker buster would be required for the deep sites. Israelis could just show up there w/mining equipment and work at their leisure.
I have an idea. No country needs them. Problem solved.
In the centuries before nuclear weapons made global war unthinkable, casualties of any given war ran in the millions. Since their advent, casualties have been measured in tens of thousands. Nuclear deterrence has saved literally millions of lives.
But no nukes for Muslim fanatics, period. Equality is neither required nor desired here. Keep nuclear club membership frozen at current membership, with efforts made to remove North Korea and Pakistan ASAP.
There was a time when Persian men would have raised themselves up to throw out the mullahs.
Sadly, for 50 years Persian men have been dogs at the feet of the mullahs
I surmise IDF commando units going in the 3 enrichment plants to destroy them.
There are all kinds of problems with this lead-in. First is that destroying some facilities will not prevent Iran from ever getting a nuclear weapon. Second is that our problem with installing "regime change" is always that we want to install our guy under cover of "democracy." Let the Iranian themselve figure out what kind of government they want and stop installing governments that take our treasure, our army and end up causing us more grief in the end."
And perhaps if the regime changes and puts Iran's wealth and intellectual energy into to good of the people, nuclear weapons will not be part of their dream.
More like WW1. The regime could fall as the Kaiser did, but Germany was not occupied by allied powers except the Saar by France for a short time and a demilitarized Rhineland. The allies occupied Germany and Austria for 7 or so years after 1945.
Of course, no need for a Marshall plan for Iran.
I’ve echoed my frustration in other comments.
Given what we now know - ahem - about IDF/Mossad actions on the ground, I cannot deny that Israel’s ultimate goal was - all along - to isolate their nuclear program in a highly radioactive environment deep underground, an irony considering that the Iranians thought they were ensuring their program’s longevity/survival by planning so logistically.
If true, it’s almost as effective as a willful dismantling of the program. And absolutely brilliant, as it isolates the danger to the Iranian public.
‘Almost.’ We shall see, including whether the Iranian people have the cojones for the other side of that.
Only prob w/after WWI is that what were effectively insurgency groups remained that opposed Weimar. I think there was at least one assassination attempt at one point. And of all those groups, it was the Nazis that ultimately took over, even though there was an election first.
I don’t know how long the counter insurgency lasted in Germany, but I had one relative in the army and one in OSS that were there quite awhile after the war. And if IIRC, we pulled most folks out after 50 years, though I doubt they were working counter insurgency that late.
Every year since 2014 it has been reported that Iran is weeks away from having a nuclear bomb. 2014 If Iran breaks its deal with the West tomorrow, the country would be only two to three weeks away from producing enough highly enriched uranium to assemble a nuclear weapon, according to Olli Heinonen, former deputy director of the International Atomic Energy Agency. We went to war with Iraq because they were building nuclear weapons and great stores of chemical weapons. All a lie and the lie came from Israel. Millions of people killed and displaced.
Israel is usually crystal clear about their military objectives.
In Iran, they are the elimination of the nuclear and missile threats.
Not regime change.
NO.
They’ll lie like they always have.
Meanwhile… Israel has a couple of hundred nuclear bombs, they refuse to admit or let anyone inspect, the refuse to sign the non-proliferation treaty, and they program started by then stealing 400 pounds of U-238 from America.
They are the ones making demands. You can’t make this up
The Israelis (and us) are perfectly demonstrating why every small nation wants a bomb. They saw what happened to Saddam, Khaddafy, and Assad.
Its regime change alright. The proof is assassination of as many leaders as they can accomplish and Netanyahu coming out saying how the war is not against the Iranian people and he wants to restore their historic friendship. On its very face that shows it is regime change. The only actual debate is how that goes.
Not every small nation, just the ones determined to fight “the west”.
Of all people, I will refrain from believing YOUR imputations of Israeli motivations.
If you didn’t have Jew hate, would you evaporate?
Jew hate.
Jew hate.
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