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Iran With Nuclear Weapons is the Real Threat, Not an Israeli Strike
National Security Journal ^ | 6/12/2025 | Michael Rubin

Posted on 06/12/2025 9:49:50 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

US reticence about a potential Israeli strike on Iran is misguided, shaped by an over-reliance on the lessons learned from the quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is analogous to how fears of another Vietnam almost prevented the successful 1991 Operation Desert Storm, which ultimately enabled new peace opportunities like the Madrid Conference.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: defense; iran; israel; military

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I say no to hitting Iran. But Israel does not take my calls...
1 posted on 06/12/2025 9:49:50 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
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To: whyilovetexas111

....Iran With Nuclear Weapons is the Real Threat, Not an Israeli Strike...

Yup!


2 posted on 06/12/2025 9:54:39 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

In my mind the main question is not whether or not Israel can take out Iran’s nuclear facilities, but whether or not Israel can take them out without their own use of nuclear weapons.

I assume Iran has done all it can in recent decades to harden their nuclear facilities against conventional attacks.


3 posted on 06/12/2025 10:02:45 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: whyilovetexas111

The nuke sites are not enough. The U.S. and Israel should team up to take out most of the missile capabilities as well. Without that, Iran is basically neutered like Syria.


4 posted on 06/12/2025 10:03:07 AM PDT by montag813
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To: whyilovetexas111

Nor Russia, Russia, Russia.


5 posted on 06/12/2025 10:12:03 AM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: whyilovetexas111

Iran: Proven oil reserves: 157.2 billion barrels (9.3% of world total). Iran ranks second in the world for natural gas reserves and fourth for proven crude oil reserves.

Hmmm.... Do you think this may have anything to do with consideration of war?

Found this list of countries that have nuclear weapons:
the UK
France
the US
Russia
India
China
Pakistan
Israel
North Korea

Iran is not on the list. Are we demanding that North Korea get rid of their weapons? China?

Are we being played? Waiting to see a false flag episode to get us on board. Hope I’m wrong and Trump keeps his word to
stop the warfare.


6 posted on 06/12/2025 10:21:35 AM PDT by xenia (In a Time of Universal Deceit — Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell)
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To: xenia

Some supposed conservatives just aren’t happy if there isn’t some bloodshed happening somewhere in the world, courtesy of U.S. forces.


7 posted on 06/12/2025 10:26:58 AM PDT by Chipper
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To: xenia

The neocons are flexing their muscle. They are going to use wars along with insurrection to take out MAGA.

I find your post interesting because many of the countries you listed are all being flooded with and catering to Muzzards. I guess we should worry about whose hands the nukes in those countries will be in the near future.

We can’t do all these wars and fight the biggest one within our borders.


8 posted on 06/12/2025 10:29:24 AM PDT by dforest
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To: whyilovetexas111

Since the Iranian dictators constantly threaten to nuke USA as their number one objective, I think usaf needs to eliminate the threat first and foremost. It can be achieved rapidly and without using ground troops.


9 posted on 06/12/2025 10:30:00 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: whyilovetexas111
This is analogous to how fears of another Vietnam almost prevented the successful 1991 Operation Desert Storm, which ultimately enabled new peace opportunities like the Madrid Conference

More neocon gobbledegook.

America would have been immeasurably better off if Desert Storm had never happened.

Just imagine a world if April Glaspie had told Saddam at that meeting in July 1990, "Let's meet in Riyadh and we will split the oil".

10 posted on 06/12/2025 10:31:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: xenia
Are we being played?

"Captain Obvious, pick up the white courtesy phone"

11 posted on 06/12/2025 10:32:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: faithhopecharity
Since the Iranian dictators constantly threaten to nuke USA as their number one objective

Liar.

12 posted on 06/12/2025 10:33:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Jim Noble

No to us doing it, Oarael can do it. Iran is ru nong out of time.


13 posted on 06/12/2025 10:39:10 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: xenia
Are we demanding that North Korea get rid of their weapons? China?

We did demand NK and Pakistan stop building nukes, just like we're doing with Iran. How did it feel, as an American, to not go to war with Pakistan when it was clear that they were shielding bin Laden? I hated it...but Pakistan had nukes.

Iran has been using their Houthi proxy to attack U.S. flagged cargo ships and U.S. Navy ships. If they have nukes they will do it all the more, thinking that nukes will give them Mario invincibility star immunity.

14 posted on 06/12/2025 10:44:33 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: whyilovetexas111

The biggest threat to America’s safety and well being is our own local Democrats. USA can’t present a solid wall of force when every few years a LBJ, or Carter, or Obama, or Biden gets into power and Destroys our military effectiveness.
I want world peace. I don’t expect the USA to be the worlds policeman. However we can’t allow a group of people that believe that they will go to heaven if they kill and are killed by fighting with “Infidels” to have Nukes.
An “ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”.
I fully understand the need to protect ones own nation.
But y’all don’t threaten others. Russia invaded Ukraine.
Iranians threaten the peace of the entire middle east.
China wants to expand to where? Control of Pacific trade routes?
We are in a time where entire nations can be destroyed in under an hour. Think about that.
We will always have war. Now is the time to destroy ambitious war makers and limit them to their “sandboxes”.
Everybody is better of in a fair peace than in war.


15 posted on 06/12/2025 10:45:11 AM PDT by rellic (No such thing as a moderate Moslem or Democrat )
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To: xenia

The moment Iran has usable nukes they will launch them at Israel. Extermination Israel is for the zealous Shiite leaders of Iran the harbinger of the Islamic version of Revelation, right down to the second coming of Christ. The Israelis know this. The rest of us have to remember what they mean by NEVER AGAIN.


16 posted on 06/12/2025 10:53:59 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: xkaydet65

Not all Christians interpret Revelation the same way. It is prophesy....so we shouldn’t devise foreign policies on our views.

I’ve been alive long enough to hear the same calls for war. I used to support them....Viet Nam for one. How many Americans died for what??

Then Iraq, if we didn’t go to war they would wipe us out with their weapons of mass destruction (that didn’t exist). Same fear mongering. I believed the propaganda.

I question now. and......We have no money for war...36 trillion debt.


17 posted on 06/12/2025 11:06:22 AM PDT by xenia (In a Time of Universal Deceit — Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell)
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78-THE-END-TIME-PROPHECIES-OF-ELAM-PERSIA-IRAN
18 posted on 06/12/2025 11:14:22 AM PDT by roving
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To: whyilovetexas111

You would think Europe would do something about Iran considering they, and not the USA, are in range of Iranian missiles.


19 posted on 06/12/2025 11:28:59 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: xkaydet65

“ The rest of us have to remember what they mean by NEVER AGAIN.”

OK, I remember. So what?

I am opposed to my country nuking Israel.


20 posted on 06/12/2025 11:30:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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