Posted on 03/28/2025 5:29:50 PM PDT by Red Badger
Yeah you are so on it! Let China and Russia have at it! They don’t give a crap about morals! You sure do…at least according to your demented worldview. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.
It’s called forward thinking in terms of protecting our country! Get it?
I agree in principle with everything President Trump says. What I genuinely don’t get is the approach.
USA could’ve pitched this as, the American base isn’t big enough to protect Greenland from Russia / China, but the USA could invest massively in Greenland to the mutual benefit of Greenland, Denmark AND the USA.
Could’ve pitched it as, “everyone’s a winner.”
Instead we have this bullshit where, from the Greenlanders perspective, Trump is proposing they become just another first nation reservation on their own land after ceding it to the USA in return for bugger all... while the new Yank owners get rich.
And from the Danes’ perspective, there’s literally no incentive to say yes.
Trump might be the best hardball negotiator in the world at real estate deals, where competition is fierce and winning needs a battle... but playing hardball in a bloodless negotiation with people who’d be perfectly happy to do a deal if they thought they were getting something better than a pig in a poke seems a bit counterproductive, to put it very mildly.
It’s like - imagine your vacuum cleaner is on its way out, you’re thinking of getting a Kirby, and a Kirby sales dude turns up at an inconvenient time. If he simply offered to do the demo another time and gave you his card, he’d probably have a guaranteed sale.
If the guy pushes his way into your house, uses pressure selling tactics , insults your wife because you refuse to be rushed, kicks your dog, and then threatens to keep coming back until you sign, it’ll get your back up.
Unforced error by the Trump administration. Europe doesn’t see hard sell as a virtue; they think pressure selling is the last resort of a crap salesman.
I don’t think Greenland is needed for anything beyond what we already have there. This and the Canadian crap are the only two things I think Trump needs to abandon.
The people of Greenland might have better ideas of their country. Get it?
Greenland take over by (pick your preference)
1. USA. USA take over by direct purchase; making it a protectorate/commonwealth or; using brute force as last resort.
2. Russia. Russia take over by brute force.
3. China. China take over by trickery, cash loans, bribes, using brute force as last resort.
4. Remain Danish. Number 4’s chance of retaining it is like an ice cube on a sunny summer day.
Last vote I saw reported was 30,000 for the US and 20,000 against
China already has a large mining consortium operating in Greenland (remember what is civilian is also military per Xi’s order).
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We will end up having total control of the waters around Greenland
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Total control of the waters around Greenland only comes if we build a fleet of heavy ice breakers - we currently have one (1) which is on the shop for repairs ... again.
We have 3 conventionally powered ships on order, but they are behind schedule and way way over cost. 1st one is scheduled for sea trials this year or next; the other two are still on paper.
Dept Homeland Security cannot decide if the next two should be armed and if so with what. Their hulls are a compromise so they can travel the open ocean to Antarctica as well; meaning they are not efficient ice breakers.
And importantly, the new US breakers cannot compete with Russia’s nuclear powered fleet - the newer Russian ones can go through 9 feet of ice at continuous speed (meaning they do not have to back down and go forward to break the ice).
Meanwhile, Russia with a fleet of over 100 breakers, continues to churn out dual nuclear powered heavy ice breakers like hot cakes, with China not far behind (but conventionally powered).
Right now, total control favors Russia, followed by China. The US is not even in the game.
we are doing domestically than what China might do if they snuggle up to Greenland.
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China already has “snuggle(d) up to Greenland” - they have a large mining consortium there now.
Best to walk and chew gum at the same time - we can and must learn to do both.
The strangest quote was when Vance was talking about the US taking over Greenland while saying they respect their sovereignty.
So it’s really not unanimous.
unanimous???
Okay so 67% in favor. Unanimous would be in the 80 percentile.
They depend on USA to protect them. Get it?
But that only leaves 33% that need convincing - there is no way that the country can be self-sufficient. It has to have outside support.
The question for those 20,000 is do they prefer Danish, Chinese, Russian rule or American support?
Been doing okay so far.
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