Indonesian Woman Rejects Establishment Health Care For Traditional Treatment - And It's Working

www.kartiniisme.com ^ | 16th February | Ozguy1945

[Ozguy1945]

Anna R is a deeply patriotic citizen of the Republic Of Indonesia.

Anna embraces the modern world and international friendship. As a student of tourism, her decade long commitment to international engagement has won deep respect from all who know her.

This commitment from Anna reminds me of the words of the Javanese Princess, R A Kartini written on February 1, 1903, “I am also glad to do what I can for “East and West.” I feel that I am only doing myself a service, for it is for our people, and I and my people are one.”

But, like Kartini, whose great achievements were made at home and not abroad, there are certain issues where Anna steadfastly chooses her traditional culture ahead of the sometimes mechanical impersonal ways of the west.

For Anna R, for better or for worse, traditional medicine such as Jentungan Suntung has proved effective. Whereas in Anna’s real life experience modern surgery is terrifying and sometimes dangerous.

Her husband fully supports her in her choice. Today he carried her in his arms out of a modern hospital to seek traditional care.

I admire their courage.

Their bravery is founded in a reality of faith.

Today Anna wrote this prayer:

"Lord, this is my fate, which you have ordained. I accept it all. But please do not let me become a quitter. Teach and lead me so I can be strong."

Anna is suffering badly from a very serious illness. But her faith in God and the old ways of her people is rock solid strong.

Habislah gelap terbitlah Terang. (RA Kartini)

After the dark, let light rise.

[Bob434]

[[modern surgery is terrifying and sometimes dangerous. ]]

Hey Anna, very very rarely is it dangerous- medicine has come a very long way since the dark ages thanks to God empowering physicians and surgeons and anesthesiologist and nurses etc with great minds, giving them extensive knowledge that has allowed them to discover cures, remedies, fixes etc thst were unthinkable in years past.

I knew folks who rejected “modern science” too (rejected chemo and rsdistion), who had cancer, and they sought healing “the natural way”, and died needlessly from a cancer with a ver good survival rate if tested properly.

[[ But her faith in God and the old ways of her people is rock solid strong.]]

Yeah, so wasn’t theirs- and they died decades too young- needlesly.

Refusal to utilize the methods thst God has established through skilled men and women today leads to preventable deaths in almost all serious critical cases where “traditional ways” are not medically strong enough to work. Many times God throws us lifelines such as surgeons but we refuse to take them and end up suffering needlessly, or worse.

But to each their own. I’ll pray to God for healing IF it is his will, and trust the surgeons that God has endowed with skill and given knowledge to when the need comes for medical and surgical intervention. And I speak this as someone who was prayed over and anointed by the church, and who was in the hospital because I got sick unto death, and had to have emergency surgery to save my life because the illness broke through and poisoned me with peritonitis. Had I refused medical care, no amount of traditional herbs and whatnot would have prevented my death. I was not supposed to live past 30 according to the surgeon who spoke to my parents, and here I am 3 decades past that prediction. God gave me healing in he form of surgeries and medicines. It wasn’t the way I wanted healing, but it is the way that God chose for me.

[Ozguy1945]

Bob434 thanks for your detailed and thoughtful response.

Anna had two friends who had surgery for a similar cancer and died in surgery. that reality has made her scared.

I think what you say about modern advances turning the odds peoples way in western hospitals is mostly right. But I do not know if the same applies in the hospitals in Anna’s part of Indonesia.

When she left the hospital, her husband carried her out in his arms because she could not weight bear. Now after one night of traditional treatment she can walk short distances again.

he doctors are not always right always wrong.

And niether is RFK jr.

[Getready]

1) what god does she have faith in?
2) Kartinism- USA isn’t the only dingbat place in the world
3)if one thinks Western medicine is wrong, what do you have that is proven better?
4) patient demonstrates why death rate is higher than predicted

“Don’t need no help....I’m doin’ fine...”

[Bob434]

putting one’s faith in God means listening to him and accepting the means with which he works, ie through medicine, through surgeons etc. Yes, sometimes God does heal without using modern science, and he heals in direct response to praying, but the days of miraculous healing such as raising peop,e from the dead, Restoring lost appendages or limbs with nothing but a word, is over- God is not healing amputees today via prayer, he has however helped them through the wisdom of prosthetic developers and skilled surgeons, and skilled rehabilitation workers. While traditional methods like herbs can help ease things significantly, they can not replace limbs or appendages supernaturally like christ did right before his death when he miraculously znd supernaturally healed the servant’s ear. Utilize everything God has given for healing, including modern medicine and surgeries if needed. That is the ,ifeline he has thrown to us.

[Bob434]

Good point about hospitals in that part of the world. You might be right about that. In such places it might just be dangerous to go to the hospitals there. Here in the US, we have to do due diligence and investigate any hospitals that we wish to utilize as some are really quite bad and infacf dangerous in some cases. The hospital I was in was a smallish one, and the surgeons who did the emergency surgery had tk call down to Boston hospital and speak with their surgeon ther who was familiar with what I needed during the surgery. 6 hours they were on the phone. Thankfully it turned out fine- but the surgeons in the smallish hospital were not familiar enough with my condition to do the surgery, but had the tech (Phone) to consult with those that were thankfully. Today they have even better tech, video, even robotic machines to precisely do work in very delicate spots like around heart, organs etc.

But yeah, some places around the world hospitals can be death sentences.

[LadyDoc]

Indonesia is a Muslim country. Muslims use modern medicine.

The locals probably use traditional medicines. But the rest of the story sounds like a fantasy.

[Ozguy1945]

“Indonesia is a Muslim country. Muslims use modern medicine.

The locals probably use traditional medicines. But the rest of the story sounds like a fantasy.”

Dear LadyDoc,

You have the right to hold and express your opinions, but:

I know Anna and have known her for 13 years.

You have almost certainly never met her.

The story is not a fantasy.

Anna has rejected modern medicine.

She is steadfastly Muslim.

Her health is improving with two traditional healers now in her home and going to the nearby forests every day to collect medicines for her.

That is how she is exercising her God-given right to bodily autonomy.

Are you really certain you know more about her situation than I do?

[Ozguy1945]

Bob434

thanks for your continuing thoughtfulness.

Another thing to think of is that even in the best western health care, chemotherapy and perhaps to a lesser extent, radiotherapy can be living hell.

For me the key is bodily autonomy.

Trashed by Covid-fear inspired mandates or quickly produced vaccines (let me be clear that i think Operation Warp-speed was one of POTUS 45’s great achievements, but individuals should never have had the results of that initiative mandated on them by stupid anti-libertarian nanny states).

And bodily autonomy is non existent for many unborn babies.

[Ozguy1945]

Dear Getready,

you posited these responses:

“1) what god does she have faith in?
2) Kartinism- USA isn’t the only dingbat place in the world
3)if one thinks Western medicine is wrong, what do you have that is proven better?
4) patient demonstrates why death rate is higher than predicted”

1. Allah, Ar Rhaman Ar Rahim. (A monotheistic God who loves us both presonally and socially.)

2. Kartiniism focusses and focussed (in the early 1900’s) on the opposing fuedalistic oppression of women in Java and on promoting female role in the home and the family as a good prototype for education and great foundation for a healthy society ...... which parts of this do you consider “dingbat”

3. I am not saying western medicine is always wrong or right; often western medicine is very good; but at times it is impersonal and dominated by corporate and individual greed not by care for people; the right to choose traditional models and not have any care forced upon the individual is a basic foundation of health care for me .......... INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND CHOICE

I do not YOUR SENTENCE labelled 4

[LadyDoc]

I am cynical about the story because of years of working and living in and treating people in third world countries and on the Indian reservations in the USA.