Posted on 02/01/2025 5:19:51 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
British journalist Piers Morgan pushed back against Tucker Carlson after the fired Fox News host criticized Winston Churchill, claiming he did not save Western civilization in World War II.
The two former television broadcasters came together for an interview in Saudi Arabia where they discussed the meaning of Western civilization and the legacy of Churchill. During the discussion, the former Fox News star claimed that Churchill did not do enough to save Western civilization.
Morgan then pointed out that Churchill defeated Nazi Germany before asking Carlson how the former British prime minister is responsible for Europe’s current issues when he died almost 60 years ago. Carlson dismissed Churchill’s defeat of the Nazis as a “theoretical victory” for Europe.
Below is their full exchange:
CARLSON: This is England. This is the country that gave free speech to the United States. This is where it all came from. This habeas corpus came from. The Magna Carta was signed here. This is Western civilization. What is it? It’s England, actually. And so if you allow it to become what it is now, Western civilization ends. I don’t think that’s overstating it at all. If Saudi Arabia fell today and became Buddhist or something, it would have a massive effect on the entire region. Like the holy sites are here, right? It’s much more significant merely than its landmass.
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“Churchill. He couldn’t even say ‘Nazi’. He would say ‘Nooooozeeehz, Nooooozeeehz!’ It wasn’t NOSES, it was NAZIS! Churchill!”
WW2 was full of propaganda, and the Churchill personality was part of it.
Churchill’s role was to keep British morale up when Britain stood alone.
Outside of that, he was not a very good tactician, he was not on board with the Normandy landings, instead thinking Italy would be the quickest way to get to Germany.
Churchill certainly didn’t defeat Germany alone. Britain couldn’t even stop the Nazis from taking over the Channel Islands. If Churchill defeated Germany as Piers Morgan claims, why then was Churchill so desperate to get the U.S. into the war?
Churchill also got lucky in that after they bombed Berlin, Hitler reacted by almost exclusively bombing civilian targets in Britain, instead of focusing on taking out military installations, that might have eased the possible German invasion.
Yeah, Hitler was really pissed over Berlin being bombed, especially after Goering had ensured the German people that Berlin would never be bombed.
It’s almost not possible to have a positive impression of Winston Churchill once you’ve studied The Great War.
Gallipoli.
But what impressed me is after the disaster he went to go fight on the front lines.
That being said, I’m still glad it was Churchill instead of Lord Halifax.
Most people who study WWII would say that the Soviets defeated the Nazis, with a huge assist from American Lend-Lease. Churchill’s biggest accomplishment in WWII was convincing FDR to join the European war when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
Definitely. Churchill was an amazing man, and the man for the job of encouraging the the British people to continue to fight to save their country. Ditto for George VI and Queen Elizabeth.
The most important battle of WWII was one few even know about.
1939 - The Battle of Kalkhin Gol, it was more of border skirmish, as The Soviet Union and Japan were not officially at war. But the Soviet victory forced the Japanese to totally revamp their strategy, and focus more on getting control of the British, French and Dutch colonies. Secretly, the Japanese and Soviets signed their own non-agression pact. Something Adolf Hitler might have liked to have known when he declared war on the US, because he expected Japanese help in return for declaring war on the US.
The Japs were already pissed at Hitler for signing their own non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union, so in reality by that time the Axis for all intents and purposes was only an alliance on paper.
Churchill didn’t convince FDR. The drug-addicted retard Hitler declared war on us after Pearl Harbor, for no reason whatsoever. That and his stupid delay at capturing 700k men at Dunkirk, and needless Soviet invasion sealed his fate.
I think it was more like “naaazi”... very nasal and, possibly, meant to be insulting. Read somewhere over the decades, Hitler hated it. If so, good one, Winnie.
He didn’t defeat Germany alone, but he was the keystone. If not for Churchill, Britain would have come to terms with Hitler. Then he would have had a free hand in Europe. No Arctic convoys, just The USDR facing the entire German war machine, and probably pushed back all the way to the Urals, then eventually beyond.
Beyond that the consequences are speculative, but eventually the Nazis would have got the bomb, probably before the US because the British would not have shared their “tube alloy” research and without a war, the funding for the Manhattan project would have been a difficult sell to Congress.
“ Most people who study WWII would say that the Soviets defeated the Nazis”
Most communists you mean.
Communists claim Mao defeated the Japanese too.
A lot of communists on this thread.
Tucker, as usual, has his head stuffed firmly up his ass
Churchill was trying to alert the world that Hitler was evil and needed to be stopped in 1934. The US had people like Father Charles Coughlin and Charles Lindbergh speaking publicly in support of Hitler.
From the day France fell in 1940 until the US joined the Africa Campaign in 1942, Britain was THE ONLY nation fighting Hitler.
Churchill orchestrated the miracle at Dunkirk. Absent that, the UK would have lost their entire professional army and WWII would have ended (with Hitler the victor) before Pearl Harbor.
The Brits likely would have lost the Battle of Britain if Churchill hadn’t played to Hitler’s pride and sent bombers to Berlin. That caused Hitler to stop bombing British airbases and war materiel factories and start bombing cities in a fit of pique. The change in strategy gave the fighter bases the relief they needed to mount a credible defense, in the process destroying so many Nazi aircraft that Hitler called off the attack.
Once the Battle of Britain had begun, Churchill was trying to con fighters out of FDR, but FDR kept saying his hands were tied by the US’s Neutrality Law. Churchill had his lawyers look over the law and the found the US wouldn’t be breaking the law if they towed the airplanes into walking distance of Canada, and then Canadian civilians towed them across the border with horses and civilian trucks. So that’s what they did,
Hitler destroyed so much of Stalin’s war-fighting potential in the first weeks of Barbarossa that he almost certainly would have taken Moscow before winter, but Churchill arranged for supply convoys to Arcangel and cajoled the US into providing much of the materiel. Instead of being a rout buy the Nazis, thanks to Churchill’s resupply strategy, the Russians were able to regroup, resupply and inflict YUGE losses on the Nazis at Moscow, Leningrad an Minsk. Meaning there were A MILLION fewer Nazis to repel the D-Day invasion and the Allies’ mission to take Berlin.
Churchill’s secret weapon against the US was his daughter-in-law, Pamela Harriman. Whenever he reached a dead-end trying to negotiate cooperation from FDR, he sent her to Washington on a charm campaign. Her diplomacy was a YUGE factor in Britain remaining able to fight the war effectively until America joined the Allies.
Churchill was, simply put, the single most important individual in the Allied victory. If you don’t recognize that, you haven’t read the history.
Cool. Churchill saved England from the Nazis only to have his grandchildren surrender to a bunch of 7th century tribes from the desert.
This time, we're not going to help the UK.
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