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The Navy’s New DDG(X) Destroyer Might Be ‘Sinking’ Fast
National Security Journal ^ | 8/27/2024 | Brent M. Eastwood

Posted on 08/27/2024 9:57:44 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

You may be familiar with the debate about aircraft carriers – that they are too expensive to buy and maintain. Perhaps the aircraft carrier is obsolete, and the Navy should focus on building more frigates and destroyers.

Yet another debate is brewing up involving the DDG(X) program, in which the Navy wants to build a new class of guided missile destroyers by the 2030s.

And, sadly for the Navy, this new warship class is getting its share of bad press and doubtful commentary.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: ddg; defense; destroyers; military; navy; usn; usnavy
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To: whyilovetexas111

I remember reading the British admirals were not happy their new battleships couldn’t keep up with the equivalent USA battleships in heavy seas at the start of WWII. Just another sign of a failing empire.

The Airforce had a very effective airship in the warthog, but it wasn’t what they wanted.


41 posted on 08/27/2024 11:06:31 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: PIF

The thing that helps us is that they are built with good ol’ chinese quality.


42 posted on 08/27/2024 11:08:32 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ken in texas

their policy regarding equal employment opportunities for transgenders? /sarc


They get the same accommodations and opportunities as the Uyghurs. /sarc


43 posted on 08/27/2024 11:10:44 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: whyilovetexas111

At least it will be running “Windows for Warships”

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/windows_for_war_1.html


44 posted on 08/27/2024 11:11:31 AM PDT by algore
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To: Secret Agent Man

The thing that helps us is that they are built with good ol’ chinese quality.

Quantity has a quality of its own.


45 posted on 08/27/2024 11:11:41 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: whyilovetexas111
Once hypersonic missiles become a real threat, carriers will be obsolete, as will most manned surface warships. The future of the Navy will be unmanned ships, and the future of the Air Force will be drones and unmanned fighters and bombers.
46 posted on 08/27/2024 11:12:08 AM PDT by rexthecat
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To: Secret Agent Man

The thing that helps us is that they are built with good ol’ chinese quality.

Quantity has a quality of its own.


47 posted on 08/27/2024 11:13:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Getready

In this modern technological era, virtually all naval surface combatants are obsolete. Building more of them is lunacy. Sending them to sea with young crews negligent and cruel.


48 posted on 08/27/2024 11:13:48 AM PDT by allendale
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To: whyilovetexas111

Just as long a the destroyers are built with the most environmentally friendly materials, are solar and wind powered, designed and built by DEI amnesty aliens and militant Marxist Union labor.


49 posted on 08/27/2024 11:16:48 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Weapon system acquisition is largely about transferring money from taxpayers to defense contractors. Actually acquiring weapon systems is not the focus.

I think it's mainly about funding the procurement bureaucracy and maintaining their control.

My brother worked in finance at a big name defense contactor. He said the biggest issue was DOD not settling on a spec, endless change orders, shutting work or a production line down and then paying for it to start again.

Endless waste and mismanagement and zero discipline in the procurement process, as though the procurement process itself and not working weapons systems was the goal.

50 posted on 08/27/2024 11:19:00 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Bonemaker

You can bet the CCP has multiple Sunburn missiles with every carriers’ names on them.


51 posted on 08/27/2024 11:20:08 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: allendale
That's if you have complete unrealistic expectations of naval battle damage. The US Navy had about 24 ships sunk and roughly an equal number significantly damaged at Okinawa, killing 4582 sailors and wounding 6043.

The US has just become accustomed to fighting enemies so inferior in capability that we have not suffered such damage since.

A naval war with China would probably see at least that number.

52 posted on 08/27/2024 11:28:07 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: whyilovetexas111

The 7,500-ton Constellation class frigate will be utterly useless due to its inability to shoot down incoming ballistic missiles. BMD is now required for new significantly large and expensive vessels.

The DDG(X) has problems but those aren’t fatal. The Constellations are utter boondoggles.


53 posted on 08/27/2024 11:39:34 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Carriage Hill

Yep, and the navy did not have a reliable way to stop the old SS-N-22 Moskit decades ago. The newer stuff has to be harder than that.


54 posted on 08/27/2024 11:42:12 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (I don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. i don't think he knows what he said either)
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To: Ingtar

These are great ships as long as we do not have a naval war. With the advances in drones even a third world army will have the power to sink our ships. Being light weight and armor less they are floating coffins for the crews. Need to rethink our ideas of a navy. WW III will not be anything like WW II.


55 posted on 08/27/2024 11:48:00 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (. War is Hell)
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To: The Klingon; Bonemaker

That is a ‘might happen’ at this point.


56 posted on 08/27/2024 12:08:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: desertsolitaire

“Is our weapons procurement process so dysfunctional that we cannot do better? “

The number of problems with the system are legion. But I’d say the first and foremost problem is that every Congressman can diddle directly on each line item. The problem is who gets how much and when.


57 posted on 08/27/2024 12:37:07 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: 3RIVRS

I thought the 44-gun United States-class frigate was a good design.


58 posted on 08/27/2024 12:45:16 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: whyilovetexas111

It looks like LCS v 2.0 to me.


59 posted on 08/27/2024 1:42:13 PM PDT by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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To: jeffersondem

Haha. Got that but had to read it a couple of times.


60 posted on 08/27/2024 4:39:16 PM PDT by RedMonqey (This is no longer America but "Amerika"!)
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