Posted on 08/09/2024 10:34:15 AM PDT by janetjanet998
A Voepass airlines plane has crashed near São Paulo, Brazil
shift in cargo to the tail???
” cargo breaking loose”
Happened years ago at Fort Bragg during an airshow. Cargo plane crashed on takeoff.
Yeah the rumble video whos mostly a stall, but what caused it was missed from before the video started. May have been a flight surface failure of some kind.
If it was a weight distribution issue, there would not have been enough time - and too much panic to have passengers rush as far forward as possible.
Sure looks like a stall induced spin.
Watching the flight data this fight was having trouble nearly the whole way into San Palo. Flight 2Z2283 / PTB2283 was at 17,000 FT AGL flight cruise and normally should be doing 260 Kts. He was fluctuating from 120Kts to as high as 325Kts. This went on for the whole flight until the last 5 minutes just before descending into San Palo. It was either sever head winds or he was having engine or prop governor problems the whole flight. At 4:20 PM the ATR jumped up to 300kts one more time and then rapidly began to descend after entering the spin. At 4:21 he dropped to 16,700 and slowed to 200kts and than climbed again to 17,200 ft at 130Kts, and 20 seconds later he descended to 15,000 Ft at 50Kts now in the spin. They spun all the way in from 17,000 Ft.
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I bet it was pilot error. DEI ?
At 3:49PM in the flight they dropped to 66Kts and then at 3:51PM accelerated to 356Kts while staying at flight level 17,000Ft. If weather was not causing this from wind speed changes they were having trouble controlling their airspeed.
Mechanical or electronic malfunction?
Autopilot was holding them steady at 17,000ft. The wild airspeed fluctuations could be attributable to changes in wind speed. Don’t know if they were flying through thunder storms. If not they were having trouble with one of their engines or props possibly changing pitch which would change thrust. If they never called it in to ATC or never declared an emgerncy then they did not perceive a mechanical problem. That means changes in head winds. Previously flight data that last few days shows very little change in airspeed which was rock solid. The cockpit VCR will tell us what the flight crew was talking about or dealing with on this flight.
There could actually have been a fight b/t pilot & copilot. One to fly the plane and one to crash it.
I think DEI is a purely American problem.
Not likely as they held their course and altitude with little deviation. No sign of struggle in cockpit. I am curious what the weather was like at 17,000 ft. But the winds would not account for a ground speed change of over 290 Kts. That is crazy when they slowed from 260 Kts down to 66 Kts and then back up to 356Kts and back down to 260Kts all within a minute or two. That does not sound like headwind changes or turbulence as they maintained altitude.
Those poor people. I remember back to the Aerojet crash where it arrowed in. The last minutes on these flights, knowing the crash was coming and, I guess, still hoping nonetheless. Just horrible.
F. Have a lot of altitude!
That metmom is a flat spin, stall followed by improper recovery means straight down, not enough altitude or obviously training to get out of it.
And 20k altitude.
Ha, when spin training, knowing we were gonna spin, 10-12k, recover around 4k.
Guaranteed, the pilot is dead.
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