Posted on 07/18/2024 11:35:54 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
The Republican concern with China’s threat to America is understandable, arguably even laudable, as many of China’s economic, security, and human rights policies do, in fact, challenge America.
When that laudable concern turns into a single-minded obsession, however, then it does more than a disservice to America. It becomes exactly that which it was supposed to deter: a threat to America’s security.
Both former President Donald Trump and his running mate, Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, along with the Heritage Foundation and scores of conservative analysts, suffer from this obsession.
If China were the only big country that matters in the world, the China-only camp would be right. But because China isn’t the only country that matters to U.S. interests, the China-only camp is wrong. This is elementary.
The China-only camp could counter that while it’s definitely true that India, Brazil, Mexico, Europe, and Nigeria also matter, China outdoes them in terms of strategic importance that a China-only foreign policy is warranted.
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Did China pay someone to write this?
I’ve never been a China-only Repubican. I’ve used Pfalzgraff, Mikasa (which is also sukasa as well), even Dixie in spite of being from Philly, mostly when barbecue-ing outside.
Motyl: How to say I’m an idiot without saying it.
And that’s the giving him the benefit of the doubt (which he probably doesn’t deserve) alternate title.
Someone thinks their payments from Peking are threatened.
Any time we’re discussing threats, one must be clear on what one means. From my middle-aged perspective, the Republican Party has (for too long) been captured by the need to intervene globally when it’s “in our interests” (sometimes you hear the phrase “national interest” or “strategic interest” used). Since World War II this catchphrase has been used to justify all manner of imperialistic behavior which has lead us to where we are today.
I was once a supporter of this type of thinking (until 2 things happened). 1) I became more knowledgeable about US history and it’s lineage of perpetual expansion since it’s birth (either through direct territorial expansion or the establishment of puppet-regimes). and 2) The disasters of Iraq and especially Afghanistan. These two recent examples demonstrated to me what the Uniparty was willing to do to our own country as long as they could engage in economic and cultural imperialism around the globe. We are still witnessing the ferocity with which they desire to cling to this unrestrained use of US blood and treasure. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. No nation would need a VA system like ours unless they were consistently engaged in generation-to-generation conflicts. We have been a nation that has not truly known peace for any great length of time. In many cases this has been our own country’s choosing.
Communist China is a far greater threat than either Russia or Iran.
But I actually think the biggest foreign danger to the USA is the open southern border - close it and many of the problems we have with specific countries will be minimized. Then we can re-focus on freedom's biggest adversary - the Communists who control the European Union.
China is #3 on the list of foreign donations to American universities. Qatar is #1 and England #2. IMHO, Qatar is still too much of a small fry. And England isn't too much of an enemy (at least not until it becomes fully Islamacized).
Which right now leaves China as our major enemy influencer in both our indoctrination centers and our politicians' pockets ($3 million total to the Biden crime family and associates).
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Issues with Communist China have absolutely nothing to do with imperialism, unless we refer to it as economic imperialism.
Communist China has hollowed out our industrial base and practiced predatory money policies in combination with slave labor to make our products unaffordable or even unavailable to our own population.
And they haven’t invaded Taiwan yet, although I have come to believe they won’t need to.
Define how you use “Imperialism”.
When you say “Perpetual Expansion”, to what do you refer to?
Our push to change regimes from totalitarian regimes to something less than totalitarian?
Our acquisition of the Philippines after the Spanish-American War? Guantanamo Bay in Cuba? The Panama Canal?
Our military bases overseas or the island territories?
Or are you referring to Cultural Imperialism, where kids in Africa want to wear Chicago Bulls baseball caps and women in muslim countries want to wear western clothes?
I am interested in exactly what prism you view “imperialism” in.
If we really were imperialistic as our enemies such as the Soviet Union and Cuba like to accuse us of, why did we give Iraq back to Iraqis? Why didn’t we go in there, pump that place dry of oil, and turn it into a military fortress to be used against other countries in that region to take them over too?
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This is the kind of old-fashioned legacy analysis that uses backward thinking to incorrectly prejudice DJTs foreign policy vision...
China is certainly a far bigger threat than Russia, but the Republican neo-cons would disagree.
You make a joke regarding dish ware. But I think many of these other comments are off track as well.
Vance’s speech (and other recent speeches) are concerned about the damage that China has done to our economy, with much of our manufacturing gone and now “made in China”. He also spoke of NAFTA (Mexico). While China is a military threat, they are more of a threat to our economy.
And with a weak economy, we are also weak in international power, and our military.
Yes....China is supporting Iran and Russia, aren’t they?
That said, a Trump and MAGA national security grand strategy is not fully evident. Nevertheless, the basic tenets are apparent: peace through strength, economic and technological primacy, and avoidance of war. This is similar to the Eisenhower, Reagan, and Bush I approaches to national security.
The difficulty comes in reconciling a less active US role in the world as to security issues with the US need to tap the world economy in order to finance the immense US federal deficit and debt. Trump's pragmatism and preference for action seem likely to tip the scales toward continuity of American security strategy -- but with an end to free rides and a closer and more demanding calculation of the costs and benefits to America imposed on enemies and allies alike.
Correct! This is so easy to understand, I am shocked there is even a debate. For openers, economy size matters, and China economy is bigger by orders of magnitude than Russia or Iran. Actually China economy is probably bigger than even United States based on purchasing power index.
Neocon Uke tool is mad that Vance doesn’t care about the new Nazi Uke government.
Of course they are, their pious denials not withstanding!
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