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1 posted on 06/22/2024 2:08:31 PM PDT by DFG
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Chapman was an a-hole, but Lennon was a phony if you really want to know the truth.


2 posted on 06/22/2024 2:15:15 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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#1 You should never play baseball in a rye field. Too difficult to see the plays.
#2 Why are they ignoring the infield, outfield and pitcher? This makes no sense whatsoever.
5 posted on 06/22/2024 2:30:00 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I was drowning in self pity until I bathed in the refreshing Lake of Respect.)
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It’s been 35 years since I read it. But I remember Holden calling many people ‘phonies’. I grew to agree with this part of his misanthropic seeming literature.


7 posted on 06/22/2024 2:45:31 PM PDT by week 71
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Any book I was forced to read in high school I didn’t like. It wasn’t until I got out of college before I read books for the sake of reading. I remember we had to read CITR and Native Son back to back. Talk about boring. And Oliver Twist, Yech. So many ‘phonies’ try to read so much in to a book about some deep meaning or profound discovery when it is for entertainment. I was at an art gallery in Lahaina and a surprise guest,
Artist, Anthony Hopkins was there giving a presentation. Some egghead phony asked, “Sir Anthony, (were in America you snob” what are the meanings behind these paintings. (They were all very amusing and strange portraits.)

He said, “I just like painting. Why does there have to be some hidden meaning behind everything.?”


11 posted on 06/22/2024 3:05:59 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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I have never read The Catcher in the Rye, The title suggests that it's about baseball, so I might enjoy it.
15 posted on 06/22/2024 3:21:51 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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Wow!   I read it for the first time a couple of years ago and thought it was not worth the trees wasted to make the paper it was printed on.

As a Southerner in the early 1980's I attended a class in the ITT building in Manhattan for a few weeks when I worked for ITT USTS.   I stayed in the Algonquin Hotel and on the weekend I walked from Battery Park back up to midtown.   The day before I flew home I saw a notice on a utility pole that said Itzhak Perlman would appear in a small chamber music event the next week, proving that NYC was the center of the world.

Even with that effort to connect with NYC, I could not relate to Holden Caulfield.   All of the heartache and angsts that J. D. Salinger put the kid through seemed forced and fake.   There was not a single thing in the book that made me identify with any of the characters.   For a book written before I was born and was claimed to be a classic, it was the epitome of hype.

20 posted on 06/22/2024 4:14:15 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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The allegation directed at Salinger is that he (and/or his publisher) craftily implanted into the book neurolinguistic passages, or coded messages...

The following quote from Faulkner has always influenced my attempts to find hidden meanings in the works of famous authors:

They—they read into my stories lots of things which I myself didn't know were there...source

24 posted on 06/22/2024 4:37:08 PM PDT by PerConPat (The politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.- Men ken)
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I liked it, I also liked “Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up to Me”.


30 posted on 06/22/2024 5:13:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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I read constantly when I was a kid. I read ‘Catcher in the Rye’ in Jr High. Eh. Never read it again. I used to reread books I liked. I read Little Women 7 times, plus I’ve read all the subsequent books I could find at library at least once. The


32 posted on 06/22/2024 5:34:42 PM PDT by NetAddicted (MAGA2024)
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A generation of English teachers loved it more than it deserved to be loved, but it’s certainly not worthless.

I don’t think the people Holden saw as “phonies” were really that. They had a different script and were playing a different role than Holden was.

But I do think that most politicians are phonies. Their scripts are too different from those of the people who elected them. They aren’t accountable to the voters as they ought to be, and aren’t accountable the truth either.


33 posted on 06/22/2024 5:43:07 PM PDT by x
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I read Catcher in the Rye in high school and thought it was stupid. I read it again more recently, and my opinion hasn’t changed. The only thing we had to read that was even more painful was Death of a Salesman.

People on ‘ludes shouldn’t write novels and plays.


34 posted on 06/22/2024 6:10:30 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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If we had to do a movie, it should be a mini-series in England. Holden Caulfield is attending a boarding school. Ten episodes should do it.

The American version wouldn't work.

36 posted on 06/22/2024 7:10:00 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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One book I never read nor cared to read, anymore than I wanted to read anything by James Joyce, William Faulkner or Henry Miller.


37 posted on 06/22/2024 7:13:38 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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The book was assigned reading in our high school. I read it in one night. I couldn’t put it down. Now, I can’t even remember the storyline. I vaguely remember the protagonist had a cynical worldview, which is probably why my 16-year-old self enjoyed the book.


39 posted on 06/22/2024 9:21:38 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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Hated it. Rad part way through it and quit. It was another of those lame books popular in the ‘60s. Hesse, Castaneda, Brautigan did many of those. Just boring.


41 posted on 06/24/2024 3:51:52 AM PDT by rxh4n1 ( )
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