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1 posted on 05/31/2024 8:38:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Bragg’s statement said something like “call hush money a legal expense in order to steal the 2016 election.”

So, I imagine it is controlling negative info that could cause you to lose.

No one has ever done that before in the history of our nation. /sarc

Job applicant to interviewer: “Well, sir, if you haven’t noticed it, you need to know that I failed my high school history class.”


84 posted on 05/31/2024 10:02:29 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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He was convicted of calling his payments “legal fees” when they were not. So, these would have been used in his tax records and his election reports.

So, every time he entered those payments as “retainers” he “committed a crime.”

Do I agree with it as a felony? Do I think he “directed” someone to code these payments that way? Nope. But that isn’t what you asked.


87 posted on 05/31/2024 10:06:11 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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Michael Cohen, his attorney, outlaid the money to Stormy Daniels. He reimbursed Cohen and labelled the payment as “legal fees” instead of campaign contributions. This false business record keeping was done in order to conceal or further the crime of... something.


94 posted on 05/31/2024 10:22:58 AM PDT by CraigEsq (,)
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Good question that I have been struggling to understand. I think some have given learned answers here. I also think that either Trump's lawyers did a lousy job or were not allowed to do a good one defending him.

What was done is only a "crime" because in some 5 layer twisted logic it was made into one. Reminds me of "show me the man and I'll find the crime" or spinator Meacham in "Shooter" saying, "The truth is what I say it is.". Both of the sobs that said these things got not just what they deserved but what needed to happen to them and anyone else who steps outside the boundaries of civil society and order that will not be controlled.

To me, even worse and more convoluted was the other Trump conviction about the loan applications. We seem to have let that one slide into the past already. What happened to the trucker's boycott of NY?

I'm ready to move on from talk. If this travesty is not stopped and with prejudice we will have constables and justices of the peace controlling national affairs.

We have now seen, probably again, the indictment of a ham sandwich. Twice or more for one man. What next? What happens when they jail Trump? They will you know. They will because they can and they will to prove they can't be intimidated.

I just hope and pray they have backed themselves into a corner they can never get out of.

97 posted on 05/31/2024 10:29:13 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (The Government that got us in this mess is not the Government that can get us out of it.)
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The basis of this phony case is that the $130,000 dollars to Stormy was a campaign contribution according to Bragg. It was not. Using Alvin Bragg’s logic it should have been from campaign funds. This would be illegal and the diversion of campaign funds for private use. The FEC would have gone after Trump quite rightly for this if he had done this.


100 posted on 05/31/2024 10:36:36 AM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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There was no crime.

And the people that did this, all of them, should have a price on their head.


105 posted on 05/31/2024 10:50:57 AM PDT by meyer ("When, in the course of human events,....")
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The payment wasn’t illegal, but the shell company created to hide the payments was the part that got Trump in trouble.

Don’t shoot the messenger- that how I understood it.


124 posted on 05/31/2024 1:01:03 PM PDT by WarANDPiece
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the one of running for President against an abused elder corpse.


125 posted on 05/31/2024 1:03:00 PM PDT by Gaffer
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* Payment for a story event.

******* VS. ******

* A Bribe

Payment recorded: objective
Event happened: Semi-objective

Interpretations: based upon “evidence”

Interpretation of evidence/lack of evidence: Subjective

Conclusion: Subjective. NO CONCRETE INTERPRETATIVE EVIDENCE.


130 posted on 05/31/2024 1:30:47 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by 🙏 the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite warriors. 10.5.6.5 These Days)
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simple for the crime of winning in 2016 and beating hiterly !


131 posted on 05/31/2024 3:05:15 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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I can't understand it, either. But, Alan Dershowitz explained it in this DM article.

He wrote:

This trial was without precedent.

Never in American history has anyone ever been prosecuted for – as Trump's defense argued was the case – erroneous bookkeeping made by a company underling who failed to disclose the payment of 'hush money'.

What there is plenty of precedent for is... the payment of hush money.

Since the 1790s when Alexander Hamilton paid to keep his adulterous affair secret, many such payments have been made by politicians across the spectrum.

Then, Dershowitz quoted the head of the KGB under Stalin: 'Show me the man, and I will find you the crime.'

Dershowitz compared DA Bragg:

. . . though DA Bragg tried desperately to find a crime with which to charge Trump, he failed to find one, as did his predecessor Cyrus Vance. So Bragg went a dangerous step further than Stalin ever did: he made up a crime. He found a misdemeanor that was past the statute of limitations — making a false bookkeeping entry on a corporate form — and magically converted it to a felony that was within the limitation period by alleging that the false entry was intended to cover up another crime.

Throughout the trial, many people inferred that crime to be an alleged attempt at election interference. But Bragg never actually explicitly stated that.

In fact, the prosecution didn't tell the court what Trump's other 'crimes' were until their closing arguments on Wednesday – by which point the defense had no opportunity to respond. And even then, the supposed crimes outlined were vague.

That article is posted on this FR thread.

136 posted on 05/31/2024 8:36:48 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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It can’t be explained. Show Trials are like that. Made up charges, made up evidence a preplanned outcome. It is the way it works.


137 posted on 05/31/2024 8:39:32 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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This will be overturned on many grounds like:

Michael Cohen who has in the past been convicted of lying under oath and said he was out to get Trump admitted to paying Stormy Daniels off using his own money. He then entered this as a campaign expense and stole a total of $60,000 from Trump. He admits this in court when he testified.


138 posted on 05/31/2024 8:42:58 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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The so-called state felonies arouse out of an at (in a Federal Election Commission manner who has sole responsibility for prosecution). The fEC found no crime to prosecute.

Bragg then concocted a money trail of false business transactions re the payment as it wound its way from Cohen taking it on himself to pay and his eventual reimbursement within Trumps business that Bragg asserted were false and felonious. Given Cohen’s past lies and performance there is no indication he embarked into a conspiracy with Trump to bury the payment. So in his long line of payment disguise (34 times) Cohen worked his magic. TRump was busy campaigning and transitioning; Cohen was busing doing what scumbag lawyers do.

A billionaire about to be President not micromanaging a basic crook (and later fully cooperating with Bragg.) coupled with an avidly agreeable Trump hater judge was all that was needed to abuse the law and convict him.


143 posted on 06/04/2024 12:48:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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