Posted on 04/30/2024 8:30:11 PM PDT by bimboeruption
NWO NeoCuck War Pigs love having some EuroWanker giving orders.
Woo hoo !
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Andy Jackson: [You are an idiot. Read Tom Schelling before you start talking about how deterrence works.]
The reality is that it boils down to the basics - costs and benefits. A Russian nuclear attack against the US means the conversion of the Russian populace to a pile of ashes. No coming back from that, whatever Schelling may have to say. And that’s why Putin will hold his nuclear fire. Fear of consequences. In Schelling’s world, Russians may be fearless caricatures who have no fear of national extinction. In the real world, they definitely do. That’s why they stood by in the face of multiple reverses - Russians hate, but they also fear.
Thanks ZF!
You are finished here and your utter ignorance is on display to the world now. Tom Schelling was not a “a lefty academic talking in abstraction” and this assertion demonstrates your utter moronic and shallow understanding of nuclear deterrence and nuclear strategy.
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flt bird: [Uh huh. And everybody we don’t like is Hitler. Its always the 1930s all over again. We must go around the world fighting every battle regardless of the cost in blood and treasure to our people or......the Nazis win.
Right. :rolleyes:]
WW2 was not the only war in which a country tried to expand its boundaries. Russia has done so for 600 years against its European and Asian neighbors. Its long and successful record of waging war and annexing its neighbors is how it got this big and precisely why any further moves in that direction must be countered.
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Andy Jackson: [You are finished here and your utter ignorance is on display to the world now. Tom Schelling was not a “a lefty academic talking in abstraction” and this assertion demonstrates your utter moronic and shallow understanding of nuclear deterrence and nuclear strategy.]
And your perspective is not supported by game theory on this issue. Like I said you are way out of your depth.
The ost fundamental issue of all is that nukes are used to defend vital national interest. We have none in Ukraine and so we have no reason to risk our own nuclear annihilation. There is no upside for our brinksmanship over Ukraine and all kinds of downside. Like I said you are shallow and out of your depth. Your analysis is really shallow and does not discuss all the things that any serious analyst would discuss in analyzing this scenario.
And PS if you don’t even know who Tom Schelling was, you have no credibility on the subject whatsoever.
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Andy Jackson: [Let’s talk fundamentals. Russia has more tactical and strategci systems than we do. They have a lot of options for escalation and escalation control that we don’t. And the top of the ladder is not Russian annihilation, but mutual annihilation.
And your perspective is not supported by game theory on this issue. Like I said you are way out of your depth.
The ost fundamental issue of all is that nukes are used to defend vital national interest. We have none in Ukraine and so we have no reason to risk our own nuclear annihilation. There is no upside for our brinksmanship over Ukraine and all kinds of downside. Like I said you are shallow and out of your depth. Your analysis is really shallow and does not discuss all the things that any serious analyst would discuss in analyzing this scenario.]
Russians hate, but they also fear.
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also there is a strong element of mysticism mixed with that fear: Lately the ashes of Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov are prayed near - by the likes of Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu and others. Suvorov ashes were taken to the Front to bolster troop morale in the hopes that fewer would die, but were somewhat damage by a UKR artillery strike.
Now the ashes of Prince Grigory Potemkin-Tavrichesky will soon be sent to Crimea.
From a highly placed Russian blogger:
“Sergei Kuzhugetovich is confident that the ashes of Alexander Vasilyevich strengthened the morale of our military, and we are now moving forward at the front. Prince Potemkin can become the heavenly protector of Crimea, for which he did a lot during his lifetime.”
https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/3969
/bingo
Good thing the NATO chief has literally no say in this. Do people really believe that ALL NATO members would vote them in? They were years from qualifying before the war. They are still years from making the basic qualifications.
This is red meat bull-crap.
🙏🏻 PLEZZZZZZZZ NUKE DC first! They are just as corrupt as THESE EVIL EMPIRES china, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela etc and throw in Ukraine for good measure!
There’s a big difference, particularly if one thinks that the US being in nuclear conflict with Russia equates to the “great tribulation” of Matthew 24:21, which centers around Jerusalem.
The last time I looked. Ukraine has no nukes.
Russia will fight an existential war with any, and every country if necessary to ensure Ukraine does not join NATO.
It will not happen.
Either because the west is unwilling/unable to fight that existential war, or because Russia has incinerated every square inch of it.
They are all in.
“Russian first use nuclear threats are empty ones not because the leaders are nice guys but because at minimum the Friends and Family nuclear targeting plan will take care of anyone remotely associated with them, permanently.”
Straw man.
Russia could nuke the entire Ukrainian military in the field...and NOBODY...not even the US...would do jack about it. Certainly they would not respond militarily. None of ‘em.
NATO would squeal and stand down.
By contrast, it will be fine with the US if Russia places a military installation in Cuba.
This is a case of irredentism borne of the very real discrimination and violence the Kiev government engaged in against Ukraine’s ethnic Russian minority. There had been no problem and the Russians had not invaded for a generation after the fall of the Soviet Union.
By the way, the Donbase is not only populated mostly by Russian speaking ethnic Russians, it was historically a part of Russia. It was the Commies in the 20th century who gave it to the Ukrainian SSR. Just like it was the Commies who gave another historically Russian area - the Crimea - to Ukraine in 1954.
When you have a much bigger neighbor right next door and you have a minority of those people in a region within your own country....maybe it would be smarter not to be brutal toward that minority. Just a thought.
Didn't we learn anything about "alliances"?
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