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New Study: ‘CO2 Can Have No Measurable Effect On Ocean Temperatures’
ClimateChangeDispatch.com ^ | JAN 25, 2024 | BY KENNETH RICHARD

Posted on 01/28/2024 6:53:52 AM PST by Red Badger

There can be no climate equilibrium state that can be perturbed by an increase in the atmospheric concentration of CO2…” –Clark, 2023

The anthropogenic global warming paradigm has a magnitude problem – especially when it comes to the assumption that we humans can warm the ocean with our CO2 emissions. [emphasis, links added]

New research suggests that the sensitivity of the ocean latent heat flux to wind speed is about 15 W/m² per meter per second, and the solar daily flux varies from 1 to 2 megajoules per square meter per day (1-2 MJ m⁻² day−1).

In contrast, the total accumulated downward longwave flux to the surface from a 250-year CO2 concentration increase of 140 ppm is just 2 W/m², which translates to just 0.17 MJ m⁻² day−1.

Thus, the impact from CO2 “can have no measurable effect on ocean temperatures.”

Not only this, but the depth of influence for downwelling longwave for greenhouse gases is only about 1/10th of a millimeter (0.1 mm, or 100 microns) at most.

Wong and Minnett (2018) insist the depth of radiative effects for CO2 is ten times smaller than 0.01 mm, or one-one-hundredth of a mm.

Therefore, the 0.17 MJ m⁻² day−1 of CO2 influence “is simply absorbed within the within the first 100-micron ocean layer and dissipated as an insignificant part of the total surface cooling flux.”

Simply put then, “there can be no ‘climate sensitivity’ to CO2.”

https://scienceofclimatechange.org/wp-content/uploads/Clark-2023-Time-Dependent-Climate-Energy-Transfer.pdf


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; History; Weather
KEYWORDS: co2
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1 posted on 01/28/2024 6:53:52 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

bttt


2 posted on 01/28/2024 6:57:12 AM PST by linMcHlp
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To: Red Badger
Ruh-Roh.

Will Mikey Mann be helping to help promulgate this info from his new play Penn perch?

[Presidential Distinguished Professor

Director of Penn Center for Science, Sustainability and the Media]

https://earth.sas.upenn.edu/people/michael-mann

3 posted on 01/28/2024 7:03:32 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Red Badger

So a trace gas doesn’t actually drive the climate?


4 posted on 01/28/2024 7:05:48 AM PST by Flag_This (They're lying.)
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To: Red Badger

...no measurable effect...


5 posted on 01/28/2024 7:07:37 AM PST by Delta 21 (If anyone is treasonous, it is those who call me such.)
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To: Red Badger

The study will be quickly labeled as a “crackpot theory based on faulty science” or some such thing, and whenever it is mentioned in the future, the left will scream that just mentioning it disqualifies the mentioner’s whole argument- it will be labeled as a “right wing misinformation campaign”


6 posted on 01/28/2024 7:12:48 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Delta 21

The ecoloons at the site are poo-pooing this as garbage..............


7 posted on 01/28/2024 7:13:00 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Bob434

It already is...............


8 posted on 01/28/2024 7:13:18 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

[[The anthropogenic global warming paradigm has a magnitude problem]]

Been saying this for over a decade now! There simply is nowhere near enougH co2 to change anything. Man’s contribution is 0.00136% co2 in the atmopshere- that is nowhere enough to blanket the earth in a thick blanket which wouod prevent heat from escaping. It would be akin to dumping 4 five gallon pails of 100 degree water into an Olympic sized pool of 90 degree water and claiming that He 4 5 gallon pails has just caused “catastrophic warming” in the pool.

It doesn’t! It reaches equilibrium almost immediately because there is far too much 90 degree water, and nowhere near enough 100degree water being poured into the pool.

The climatE warming scam has a massive equilibrium problem

It’s nice to see it fi ally in print, but again, Clarke will be chastised and ostracized for daring to present the facts which destroy the asinine claim that “man is detrimentally changing the climate”


9 posted on 01/28/2024 7:18:40 AM PST by Bob434
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Oh I’m sure- facts scare the crap out of the left so,they destroy the fact finders


10 posted on 01/28/2024 7:21:00 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Red Badger

golly

This is exactly what I said twenty years ago — without all that mathy stuff...


11 posted on 01/28/2024 7:21:39 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: Red Badger
Maff is tuff. And rayciss. And homophobic and transphobic and antisemitic. But Trust the ScienceTM!
12 posted on 01/28/2024 7:33:25 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Red Badger

Unfortunately, this is a paper uploaded at a website, not a peer-reviewed study in a scientific journal.

That said, I have yet to see any smoking gun evidence that carbon dioxide can possibly drive an increase in the earth’s atmospheric temperatures, and the mechanisms said to drive “climate change” are insufficient. Most of the publications regarding “climate change” (CC) or “global warming” (GW) only describe an experimental or empirical observation and then list “CC” or “GW” as a possible reason why. But, in terms of studies that show that CO2 actually increases the heat content of the air, I have yet to see anything.

CO2 has an unusually wide absorption band in the infrared portion of the spectrum. This means that it absorbs and emits light energy (i.e. fluoresces) over a span of many wavelengths. This process occurs within nanoseconds (billionths of seconds). The light emitted as fluorescence has lower energy than the light absorbed. The difference in energy is shed as heat. Since, in CO2, the entire process occurs within the IR portion of the spectrum—the heat portion—there is no net change of heat energy.

Many molecules are fluorescent within the visible (non-heat) portion of the spectrum. If anything, fluorescence of these molecules will increase heat because of that difference in energy between absorbed and emitted light. The difference of energy is shed as heat. Also, dark surfaces absorb more light and release the energy as heat.

The thing is, there is no property of CO2 which makes it a net producer of heat. None. But CO2 is a byproduct of industrial processes as well as of metabolism of living things. It is literally something we cannot live without.


13 posted on 01/28/2024 7:34:04 AM PST by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: Red Badger
So my NOAA temp is correct

temp

14 posted on 01/28/2024 7:34:28 AM PST by RideForever (Damn, another dangling par .....)
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To: Red Badger

Well alrighty then!


15 posted on 01/28/2024 7:51:50 AM PST by deweyfrank (Nobody's Perfect )
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To: Red Badger

Have these clowns forgotten the amount of CO2 pumped into the upper atmosphere by Volcanoes? Mother Nature maintains a balance of the atmosphere by adjusting to anomalies that she produces herself. It just takes a while as it should.


16 posted on 01/28/2024 8:45:12 AM PST by chopperk (e )
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To: Red Badger

It has been well known for a long time that water is opaque to “greenhouse” back-radiation (LWIR) from energized CO2 molecules. The warmists simply ignore this commonplace fact and proceed to pursue the con by other means; and the general media goes dutifully along.


17 posted on 01/28/2024 8:55:37 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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To: Red Badger

This is wonderful news!

It will relieve the anxiety of so many! Long live gas powered cars!


18 posted on 01/28/2024 8:57:50 AM PST by TheDon (Resist the usurpers! Remember the J6 political prisoners!)
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To: TheDon

It’s already being spiked and derided as garbage and heresy.......


19 posted on 01/28/2024 9:03:28 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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“New research suggests that the sensitivity of the ocean latent heat flux to wind speed is about 15 W/m² per meter per second, and the solar daily flux varies from 1 to 2 megajoules per square meter per day (1-2 MJ m⁻² day−1).

In contrast, the total accumulated downward longwave flux to the surface from a 250-year CO2 concentration increase of 140 ppm is just 2 W/m², which translates to just 0.17 MJ m⁻² day−1.”

Yeah THAT!


20 posted on 01/28/2024 9:05:56 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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