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To: Kazan

Sure...let them put in a division line like Korea...and stop the ethnic cleansing of everything Russian.


2 posted on 01/10/2024 10:21:41 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Sacajaweau

“Sure...let them put in a division line like Korea...and stop the ethnic cleansing of everything Russian.”

Russia tried to, but the Neocons preferred war.


56 posted on 01/10/2024 2:23:32 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Sacajaweau

You’ve got it exactly backwards. Kyiv was a Russian speaking city by choice even 8 years after Putin stole Crimea. The first thing invading Russian Nazis do when they steal a piece of Ukraine is tear down Ukrainian language signs and replace them with Russian ones.

Belittling and demeaning Ukrainians desire for their own country, language and culture is beneath conservatives. Or at least it use to be. They have just as right to those things as we do.


66 posted on 01/10/2024 5:54:05 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Sacajaweau; Kazan
You do realize that the ethnic cleansing was done by Putin's Russia, right?

Look at the deaths since 2014

Last year we housed Ukrainian refugees who came from the area around Kyiv

They were and are Russian speakers - just like Zelenskyy

They come from a Russian speaking area of Ukraine, they spoke Russian at home. Naturally, they felt no persecution at all, because Ukraine does not persecute people because of the language they speak. They all said, that persecution of Russian speakers in Ukraine is absolute BS, nobody is being persecuted for speaking Russian.

Russian occupied territory, on the other hand, is very different. We have evidence from people, who were thrown in concentration camps for saying a word of Ukrainian. People were killed for having a Ukrainian flag.

And last, but certainly not least, the Russians in occupied territories of Ukraine, in a very Nazi fashion, burned all the books in Ukrainian. Yes, they burned books in Ukrainian on a number of occasions.

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Next, look at the 14,000 killed in the Donbas conflict from 2014 to Feb 2022 -- civilians numbers 3,500 and evenly distributed on both sides of the conflict

During Russia’s 2014-2021 military operations against Ukraine, 14,500 people died in the Donbas war. Of that 14,000, 3,404 were civilians, 4,400 were Ukrainian servicemen and 6,500 were Russian militants.

The figure Putinistas use, 14000, is the total number of casualties incurred in the Donbas war by both sides.

Data obtained from the reports of the so-called “Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People’s Republic” show casualty figures even lower than those of the United Nations. In a 2020 report the total losses of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) since the start of the war in Donbas are estimated to be 4,959. This is the figure that is officially recorded by the DPR “legislature”.

The report also claims that the majority of deaths occurred in 2014-2015, when 2,546 and 1,395 died respectively. In subsequent years the number of casualties in the Donbas war has significantly decreased. In 2016, 348 people were killed, in 2017 – 278, in 2018 – 154, in 2019 – 160 people. In 2020, 44 people died, marking the lowest casualty rate for the entire period of the armed conflict -- and that was mainly people dying from RUSSIAN land-mines

The number of deaths among the civilian population, which the “ombudsman” of the DPR cites in his reports, in recent years show only isolated cases of local populations’ deaths. In 2017, the number civilian casualties were 32, in 2018 – 19, in 2019 – 9, and in 2020 – 5 people. As these statistics attest, even official bodies of the self-proclaimed republics do not confirm the “mass destruction of the civilian population of the republics by Ukrainian Armed Forces

25% of civilians killed were due to separatist land mines

Go back and check the veracity of the russian sites you are reading

Keeping this in mind, you really should stop repeating your false statements, sackajawa

68 posted on 01/11/2024 7:54:21 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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