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Israel finds large tunnel adjacent to Gaza, raising new questions about prewar intelligence
Politico ^ | 12/17/2023 02:37 PM EST | Staff

Posted on 12/18/2023 7:20:23 AM PST by Red Badger

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1 posted on 12/18/2023 7:20:23 AM PST by Red Badger
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Military intelligence is much an art as a science. Technology can only provide so much information, it usually requires humans on the ground to sniff out stuff the enemy is trying to keep secret.

Can you imagine anyone in Gaza willing to spy for Israel? Can you imagine an Israeli sneaking about in Gaza?

The biggest failure (as I see it from all the way around the world) is allowing civilians to be so close to the border.

I would like to believe Israel has learn from this experience.


2 posted on 12/18/2023 7:28:37 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: Red Badger

They need to be shooting seismic lines and using ground penetrating radar to reveal the whole system!


3 posted on 12/18/2023 7:32:18 AM PST by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: Red Badger

Politico copied this from:

By ASSOCIATED PRESS

12/17/2023 02:37 PM EST


4 posted on 12/18/2023 7:32:31 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

More propaganda from AP-—

“””The unprecedented attack triggered a devastating war that has raged for over 10 weeks and claimed over 18,000 lives in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, according to Palestinian health officials. “””

Of course, Hamas is a reliable source of info regarding deaths in Gaza.


5 posted on 12/18/2023 7:34:30 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Red Badger

Nobody missed anything. This was well known in advance. They let this all take place.


6 posted on 12/18/2023 7:42:49 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

The USA funded this conflict, both sides of it.


7 posted on 12/18/2023 7:45:48 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo
Nobody missed anything. This was well known in advance. They let this all take place.

You're probably right, they knew about the tunnels. But given the anti-Israel press coverage that we have today, imagine the press coverage if Israel had gone in before O-7. They probably felt like they had to wait for an incident.

8 posted on 12/18/2023 7:56:56 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: Red Badger

in order to be able to obliterate your enemy, you first have to let them beat you a little...


9 posted on 12/18/2023 7:57:22 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: Red Badger

Mossad/Intelligence must have a new meaning for complacent, the US does the same thing.


10 posted on 12/18/2023 7:57:39 AM PST by Rappini ("No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation" MacArthr)
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To: Red Badger
Did you know that:

Mathias Döpfner, the CEO of Axel Springer, a German publishing and media firm acquired Politico for over $1 billion in October 2021. The new owners plan to add staff and put the publication's news content behind a paywall. Döpfner's global ambitions include becoming the leading digital publisher in democracies around the world. He was drawn to Politico's profitable subscription service Politico Pro, which covers in-depth political and regulatory machinations for a specialty audience of inside-the-Beltway and business readers. Döpfner's previous overtures to buy the company had been rebuffed, but he agreed to sell after learning that Axel Springer was also courting Axios, a Politico rival started by Politico defectors. Döpfner believes that journalism has a bright future if we get some things right.

I looked, because they seem to be on the side of Israel, which is odd for what I consider to be a liberal outlet of fake news, more often than not.

11 posted on 12/18/2023 8:00:52 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Rappini

Military Intelligence has always been a predator/prey situation.

As one side gets more advanced, the other side must get more advanced, but one side will always be behind the other until they catch up, then the cycle starts over again.............


12 posted on 12/18/2023 8:01:11 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while l aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Once this war is over Bibi needs to fire all the senior leadership of his intelligence services.

All of them.

L


13 posted on 12/18/2023 8:02:30 AM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: Lurker

The Buck Stops Here.


14 posted on 12/18/2023 8:04:17 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Robert DeLong

He will lose a lot of dough..................


15 posted on 12/18/2023 8:06:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while l aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

You said it best!
People particularly on this site think it’s like TV or the movies with the James Bonds or the Jethro Gibbs’ all seducing women with plenty of explosions, gunfire & daring do! Where is all wrapped up in an hour to a satisfying conclusion! It’s not, nothing like that, not even close!!! It’s mostly painstakingly boring, trying to make sense of “disparate facts” of dubious quality. Putting together a narrative that’s full of holes but still logical. It’s full of holes because you don’t have enough “facts” questionable or otherwise and you never will. You never gain mathematical certainty! In the final analysis its educated guessing! You live with that and accept the fact that you can be very wrong!


16 posted on 12/18/2023 8:14:30 AM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: jacknhoo

Can you offer proof for that statement?


17 posted on 12/18/2023 8:15:06 AM PST by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: Red Badger

Qatar bankrolled Hamas before October 7th and Netanyahu allowed it that’s for sure.

It was done to maintain peace just like the CIA figured Al Qaeda followers could be used to overthrow Assad in Syria.

But it blew up in Israel’s face.

Before the attack came down some warned in the Israeli intelligence-military community others ignored warnings.

Who knows maybe folks on the morning of October 7th watched porn videos more than the border surveillance cameras and missed the assault.


18 posted on 12/18/2023 8:33:39 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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Not when Benjamin “Machiavelli” Netanyahu is involved he’s one of the slickest politicians in the world today still fighting to deflect with much lower popularity at this point.

He denied sending money to Hamas before October 7th this weekend loudly of course the accusation against him never involved direct payment to Hamas.

What his critics including Conservative ones like former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and former Finance-Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman have said over the years is that Netanyahu allowed Qatar to deliver the cash to Hamas in Gaza.


19 posted on 12/18/2023 8:37:18 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: The Louiswu

It is common knowledge that the USA awarded Iran with $16 Billion in lifted sanctions and prior to this attack and that we funded Hamas and the PA directly with more than $1 billion.

Palestinian group accused of harboring terrorists received $1B from Biden admin: report
Report reveals 100 pages of evidence that UNRWA schools taught hate toward Jewish people, glorified terrorism
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/palestinian-group-accused-harboring-terrorists-received-1b-biden-admin

Biden administration to restore $235m in US aid to Palestinians
7th April 2021, 03:36 EDT

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56665199

Biden restores $200m in US aid to Palestinians slashed by Trump
This article is more than 2 years old
Former US president had gradually cut virtually all US money to Palestinian aid projects

https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/08/joe-biden-restores-us-aid-palestinians-donald-trump

Biden and Iran Sanctions
by Mitchell Bard
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/biden-and-iran-sanctions#:~:text=In%20what%20was%20viewed%20as,products%20on%20June%2010%2C%202021.

Biden lifts sanctions on two Iranian missile producers
BY LAURA KELLY 10/08/21 12:21 PM ET
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575948-biden-lifts-sanctions-on-two-iranian-missile-producers/

Power Up: Biden administration approves $735 million weapons sale to Israel, raising red flags for some House Democrats
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/17/power-up-biden-administration-approves-735-million-weapons-sale-israel-raising-red-flags-some-house-democrats/

Biden signs $1.7 trillion spending bill, including $3.8 billion for Israel, into law
https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-signs-1-7-trillion-spending-bill-including-3-8-billion-for-israel-into-law/amp/


20 posted on 12/18/2023 8:40:58 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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