What Trump Gets Wrong About Abortion Limitation Law and the Problem It Creates for the Right

https://danaloesch.substack.com/p/what-trump-gets-wrong-about-abortion ^ | 09-19-2023 | DANA LOESCH

[Responsibility2nd]

“No, because I support the right of states to go further with their restrictions, such as a six week ban, than Congress would ever allow.”

This is the best answer, but Trump can’t say it without inadvertently giving credit to DeSantis.

[Responsibility2nd]

While Trump's abortion policies are ripping a new one between Republicans and conservatives, let's put to rest another fallacy. And that is Ron DeSantis has blood on his hands also since his 6 week ban also allows for abortion. 

First of all, this was not DeSantis's bill. He had this bill sent up by the Florida legislature and as it is the best anti-abortion bill in the nation, he signed it. One takes all the best options availble to stop the murder of unborn children. Yet Trump thinks this bill is terrible.

Why? Cause votes count more than babies? 

The only two ways to see this through is to soften your stance on abortion so as to get more votes for Trump and the GOP. Or hold fast to your moral beliefs that abortion is murder and no compromising by Trump with Democrats is going to help.

[Bratch]

National Pro-Life Organization Turns Against President Trump Because Delivering on Goal to Overturn Roe -v- Wade Wasn’t Good Enough

April 21, 2023 | Sundance | 366 Comments

If you ever wanted to know how influential billionaire donors and the professional grift is amid the pro-life movement, this is a case study in the insanity of it.

President Donald John Trump was the most pro-life President in U.S. history.  President Trump outlined the platform policy of returning the issue of abortion to the states, and constructed all political endeavors to deliver on that pledge.  President Trump was the first president to speak at the March for Life events in Washington DC and hold pro-life supporting events at the White House.

Additionally, President Trump appointed three conservative pro-life judges to the Supreme Court, with the intention of overturning the Roe -v- Wade decision and returning the issue of abortion to the states.  This was and is the conservative position, and the goal of the pro-life movement as it was articulated.   In 2022, in the Dobbs decision, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of overturning Roe -v- Wade and the abortion issue was successfully return to the states as promised.

Since entering politics, the position of candidate Trump and then President Trump has never changed.  It is the same federalist position he holds today as outlined by the Washington Post:

[…] “President Donald J. Trump believes that the Supreme Court, led by the three Justices which he supported, got it right when they ruled this is an issue that should be decided at the State level,” Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said in a statement. “Republicans have been trying to get this done for 50 years, but were unable to do so. President Trump, who is considered the most pro-life President in history, got it done. He will continue these policies when reelected to the White House. Like President Reagan before him, President Trump supports exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother.” (more)

However, Lila Rose, President and Founder of the Live Action network, is now deriding President Trump because he does not support reinstituting federal control over the issue of abortion and campaigning on a non-federalist platform of a nationwide abortion ban.

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Apparently, Lila Rose is supporting Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who recently used the Supreme Court decision, ironically made possible by President Donald Trump, to construct a 6-week abortion ban law in Florida.  Oddly enough, a legislative outcome Ron DeSantis is also not promoting as part of his “book tour” and national stealth campaign.

Ms. Rose, in her official capacity as president of the Live Action organization appears to be influenced by the same billionaire donor class funding that supports the candidacy of Ron DeSantis.  Despite President Trump delivering the results of the pro-life movement, Mrs. Rose is now deriding the President who delivered the outcome of her advocacy, saying it -and he- was just not good enough.

Example – In January 2018, President Donald Trump spoke to pro-life supporters from the Rose Garden at the White House which was shown live on video at the 45h annual March for Life. President Trump’s speech marked the first time in the event’s history that a sitting president had addressed the crowd live via video feed.  Previous Republican presidents, including Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, spoke to the marchers by phone.

Trump Speaks To Pro-Life Supporters - Full Speech

Try to find a picture of Ron DeSantis attending the Washington DC March for Life event and you will not find one.  He never attended.   However, in the era of billionaire manipulation, fake political constructs to manufacture astroturf support, and political grift that flows as an outcome of the ‘trillions at stake’, even the pro-life movement will align in their financial best interests against the most pro-life president in U.S. history.

Sometimes you just end up shaking your head.

The love of money is the root of all evil, and even the unborn life is disregarded in the chase.

[FreeReign]

“If lawmakers, elected but the people to represent their interests, deliver to me a bill that includes the freedom for states to determine their own restrictions or outright abolition, then yes.”

Trump hasn't ruled out such language, has he?

[SoConPubbie]

He still has blood on his hands, he signed it, he is responsible for it.

You cannot have it both ways.

[Alberta's Child]

Try to find a picture of Ron DeSantis attending the Washington DC March for Life event and you will not find one. He never attended. However, in the era of billionaire manipulation, fake political constructs to manufacture astroturf support, and political grift that flows as an outcome of the ‘trillions at stake’, even the pro-life movement will align in their financial best interests against the most pro-life president in U.S. history.

And there’s the money quote.

[Responsibility2nd]

So, as we’ve always known about you, you are firmly entrenched with the “Votes matter more than Babies” crowd.

Lets hope and see if compromising with the Democrats works out for you and Trump.

[dixie1202]

I hate it but a 6 week ban won’t sell in must win states like Pennsylvania or Michigan. It’s highly unlikely that a 15 week ban can pass Congress either. The politically smart thing to do IMO is to go for a 30 week Federal ban. I’m betting that Dems will oppose that and we can paint them as the real extremists on this issue. I fully agree with allowing states to enact near total bans.

[Truthsearcher]

There is no need for pro-life voters to feel “betrayed” by Trump, he appointed the Justices and reversed Roe v Wade.

Pay attention to what Trump has done, not what he says.

[Mr. K]

I don’t think Trump cares about what DeSantis thinks.

And that answer is so obvious its not like its a brilliant insight belonging to the DeSantis campaign.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Having secured the nomination, Trump has begun appealing to the middle for the general.

Simple as that.

He also locked DeSanctus into the ultra-right position.

Strategery.

[Shanty Shaker]

I suspect Trump knows that most democrat candidates cannot survive a debate on the subject of when it is not acceptable to abort. That debate seems imperative to moving forward, it turns off a substantial fundraising spigot once that debate occurs.

[wiseprince]

The idea that 15 weeks is a compromise on life but 6 weeks isn’t is pure hypocrisy unless you belive life starts after 6 weeks. They are both a compromise...which is what you need with a strictly devided country. Pretending that you’re going to get a federal abortion ban passed though the next congress is the very definition of demagoguery let alone a 6 week ban. This is what politicians do, they talk.

[Mr. K]

Ooohh... good comment!

That would definitely be 4D chess, and I hope it’s correct.

[odawg]

“This is the best answer, but Trump can’t say it without inadvertently giving credit to DeSantis.”

Why? Other states have already incorporated time limits on abortion.

[odawg]

Only a matter of time before this organization starts saying that Trump is too dangerous to be president.

[fuzzylogic]

I do think we go about this wrong. We could go a long way to reducing (massively) abortion, not through law, but education. Require high schools to truly show what happens with real pictures and video - NOT animations. Show an aborted 4 week old all cut into pieces. Then show what partial birth abortion looks like. Show the brains that are sucked out and how the skull must be crushed.

Stop the lie that many believe, that it is ‘just a mass of cells’ which is such a grossly distorted *demonstrable* lie...but nobody ever sees it.

Keeping the argument at the ‘legal vs. illegal’ level just allows the left to keep the narrative of ‘a clump of cells’ and that it’s ‘just a choice’ the woman has, with no real consequence and that their rights are violated. You can’t, however, ignore the reality. I believe most would make different choices if they were more aware. So what if it is legal but nobody does it? I’d argue that it could be better than being illegal but still practiced illegally under the false belief of ‘clump of cells’.

[SunStar]

Here's how I think Donald Trump should answer any abortion questions moving forward:

"I appointed conservative justices to the Supreme Court who overturned Roe v. Wade, giving the power back to the States. I'm running for President, not Governor. Next question."

The media is trying to make the election about abortion, and they know many on the right are pushing for a total ban, which independents, moderates and many women voters don't want. It's polarizing and takes the spotlight off Biden's abysmal record. The strategy appears to be working this week.

[wiseprince]

Trumps answer was a master class on dealing with this issue. He had the interviewer claiming no one was for “after birth abortion”. First time I’ve seen a debate where the Republican didn’t start defending rape and incest by the end. The Democrat was in the defensive. She even went on the defensive when he said 7, 8 and 9 month. Completely changes the debate. The all or nothing, you’re a murderer strategy doesn’t work. This debate is even more in Trumps favor in a general because Biden and all of the Democrats really are radical. Many people will give a pass in the first trimester (lots of people don’t start telling friends until the 4th month). What Trump has done, quite successfully is made it a discussion about that last trimester and the numbers are wildly on thr Pro Life side of the isle in this debate. Chip away at it, it’s a savvy approach.

[wiseprince]

Trum0 is on a smart path. You won’t be able to hide from this issue but he’s framing the debate. The Rats have successfully framed the debate in the past as rape and incest supporters v mothers Healthcare. Trump is framing it as, are 9th month abortions ok.