Posted on 06/17/2023 7:14:55 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
What is it going to take to wake people up? Russia is deploying tactical nuclear weapons to Belarus, and there is lots of talk in the Russian media about using such weapons to bring a quick end to the war in Ukraine. The theory is that once the Russians show that they are willing to use tactical nukes, the U.S. and the other western powers will back off. But that won’t be what happens. Instead of backing off, the Biden administration will respond by using U.S. tactical nuclear weapons against Russian targets in Ukraine. And once both sides have used tactical nukes, it is just a matter of time before the big nukes get used.
his war could have been avoided at the negotiating table long before it ever started, but that didn’t happen.
And we could still have a negotiated solution, but at this point both sides are not interested in peace talks at all.
So we will continue to steamroll down a road that leads to nuclear conflict. Both sides just continue to escalate matters over and over again, and even Vladimir Putin is admitting that this could easily cause “a Third World War”…
Putin, speaking at a meeting with Russian war correspondents in Moscow yesterday, said: ‘The United States pretends not to be afraid of an escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, but sane people there clearly do not want to take this to a Third World War.
‘In the event of a Third World War, there will be no winners, including America.’
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The late 1980’s was a long, long time ago.
Hey! It came a long time after dirt.
DA!!
In one form or another these two peoples have been at each others throats for centuries, before there ever was a United States.
They don’t give a rip what the rest of the world thinks unless it’s aid or weapons being sent to one side or the other.
Russia has been having one hell of a time trying to defeat the Ukes and the Ukes have been fighting back hard.
Putin is going to use nukes?
The fat cats in the Kremlin who’ve ripped off the system for years and have made nice comfortable lives for themselves aren’t going to see it all go up in smoke.
Crimea is just as much a part of Russia as Moscow. Any attempt to seize it back will be met by force up to and including nuclear weapons. Ukraine will need NATO (read the US) to put boots on the ground to fight Russia directly.
My concern is the reaction of the Biden Administration once the realization sets in that they can’t win or even return to the status quo ante bellum. It will be hard to put lipstick on that pig.
The Russian military, the big fearsome juggernaut we in the West had been so fearful of has turned out to be a bunch of bums with guns and they’re going to use nukes?
Are you nuts?
The moment Putin gets the idea to launch all those Kremlin fat cats will ‘’retire’’ Comrade Putin for ‘’reasons of health.
You make my case. Russia is no conventional military threat to Europe or NATO. They will only use nukes if they believe their national sovereignty is threatened. Do you remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? Essentially, we threatened to launch WWIII if the Soviet Union didn’t remove their missiles from Cuba.
I find it interesting that you support the Biden national security strategy. Biden and Austin have been clear that the objectives of this proxy war is regime change in Russia and a weakening of the Russian military. Ukrainians are just the cannon fodder. But the sad reality is that this war weakens the US as we borrow hundreds of billions of dollars to fight another endless war. We are being led by fools.
Such bullshit
We have articles daily asking for this from the globalist neocons here
Michael Rueben who’s never prolly even busted a grape begging for this insanity just last night
But we were the first to use nukes in the world
Perhaps you haven’t noticed but since the start of this whole nonsense I’ve said these two countries are two f’ing scorpions in a bottle and I hope they kill each other off and be done with it.
It’s not our fight, not worth our blood or treasure.
And btw, the Russkies eventually backed down in Cuba and because of that loss of face Khrushchev was ‘’retired’’.
And as far as supporting ANYTHING Biden does, well, don’t get me started...
When it happens the wet dram of the Biden Worshipers, the Soros Worshipers, the Globalists, and the Neo Cons will have came true.
We were the first to use nukes - not a good idea to tug on superman’s cape or to spit into the wind
Thank you, Michael Snydier. No one else is speaking the truth.
"Siding with people who threaten first use of nuclear weapons is like siding with Charles Manson."
These two statements of yours are dissonant.
You are correct. There’s a problem with short, quippy statements.
For example, the full statement is “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” The clipped version, “power corrupts,” is not exactly true.
1. As to the use of the atomic bomb against Japan in WWII: it would have been wrong to do that without first warning Japan and giving it (Japan) an opportunity to surrender. But, in their fanaticism, they refused to surrender even after the first use, and only surrendered after the second.
2. As to using nuclear bombs today: both sides have nuclear bombs and each side would suffer enormously were either side to use them. It is, therefore, stupid for either side to use or even threaten to use them.
Back in the Cold War, we had two ideologies each of which thought it would eventually win. Why would any communist, who was truly a communist, risk a nuclear war when communism would eventually overtake capitalism? Analogously, why would any capitalist, who was truly a capitalist, risk a nuclear war when capitalism would eventually overtake communism? We conducted the experiment, and we found out that capitalism overtook communism.
While the communists in Moscow were rational, this wasn’t true of all communists. We now know that Castro, in Cuba, wanted to use the nuclear-armed Russian missiles in Cuba to start WWIII. Khrushchev, back in Moscow, thought that guy (Castro) was crazy. I’ve got to get my missiles away from him. And, so, he and Kennedy were able to diffuse the Cuba missile crisis with an implicit deal that the Soviet Union would withdraw its missiles from Cuba, and we would withdraw our missiles from Turkey.
I don’t think we were ever at a real risk of nuclear war during the Cold War, except by accident, and we did things such as the hotline, to minimize that risk.
Today, we are facing Vladimir Putin. Is Putin more like Nikita Khrushchev or more like Fidel Castro? Is he more like a rational person who believes his ideology will eventually overtake rival ideologies, so there is no need to start a war, no less a nuclear war? Or, is he more like a paranoid and increasingly desperate man who thinks his system is already losing and he only has one chance to win?
Au contraire. Anyone who remembers the Cuban Missile Crisis understands how close we came to a nuclear war. Kennedy Administration officials sent secretly their families outside of Washington. JFK implemented a naval “quarantine,” or blockade, on Cuba to prevent further Soviet shipments of missiles. Fortunately, the Soviets did mot challenge it. They removed their missiles and we removed IRBMs from Turkey and promised not to invade Cuba. Both sides blinked, but not before we came perilously close to a nuclear exchange.
So why are we risking direct confrontation with Russia and spending close to $200 billion and counting on this tar baby? We are under no obligation to defend Ukraine, one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
We have a compromised President who took bribes from Ukraine and China. Is Ukraine the hill to die on? Why? Ukraine has become ground zero for corruption that touches so many of our leaders who have profited from these connections. And our Intel agencies, DOD, and other Deep State entities have been engaged in activities that would be prohibited in the US or by our laws. It is not a coincidence that Trump’s first impeachment was over a call to Ukraine. It is a cesspool containing secrets that would be devastating to Biden and Deep State.
And btw, the Russkies eventually backed down in Cuba and because of that loss of face Khrushchev was ‘’retired’’.
Both sides blinked. Khrushchev capitulated, informing Kennedy that work on the missile sites would be halted and that the missiles already in Cuba would be returned to the Soviet Union. In return, Kennedy committed the United States to never invading Cuba. Kennedy also secretly promised to withdraw the nuclear-armed missiles that the United States had stationed in Turkey in previous years.
The Cuban Missile Crisis was over Nov 20, 1962. Khrushchev was removed in October 1964.
I said from the start this isn't our fight. Do you understand that? I don't give a damn. I've noticed all the “I Stand With Ukraine’’ bs has disappeared, curious that.
As to Khrushchev the loss of face over the crisis was the over whelming factor in his being removed from power. That and the fact that he had the temerity to expose the crimes of Stalin and a loosening of the communist orthodoxy in Russian society. Removing him gave Leonid Brezhnev control of the Party and ushered in an era of Soviet expansion around the world and a maximizing of the corruption that has made Russia, particularly it's military/industrial complex so inefficient and corrupt.
Khrushchev was removed because of his disastrous “Virgin Lands” program, he lost all credibility after that.
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