A new video shows Marine, Daniel Penny releasing the submission hold of Jordan Neely and placing him in the recovery position (5/7/23). (Credit: Mythinformed/Twitter)
Posted on 05/07/2023 7:37:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
A new video shows Marine, Daniel Penny releasing the submission hold of Jordan Neely and placing him in the recovery position (5/7/23). (Credit: Mythinformed/Twitter)
The death of Jordan Neely has elicited strong emotions from all sides. The homeless man was placed into a submission hold by an ex-U.S. Marine after allegedly aggressively threatening passengers on a New York subway. He was later pronounced dead after being transported to a nearby hospital.
Democrats, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have used the situation as a partisan bludgeon in an attempt to stir up unrest, suggesting that Neely was “lynched.” Thankfully, to this point, their rhetoric hasn’t added up to much more than one silly protest. Meanwhile, on the other side, Republicans have largely taken the side of Daniel Penny, the former serviceman in question, asserting that he was trying to protect people on the train.
In the end, witness testimony will be key in determining whether the legal standard was met to justify the submission hold being used as a self-defense measure. A new video is providing further context to the situation, though.
(Warning: Viewer Discretion is Advised)
Why isn’t the media covering the fact that Daniel Penny was complemented by other passengers and also put Jordan Neely in the recovery position?
Seems like key details to leave out. pic.twitter.com/hA8qSNtrCu
— Mythinformed (@MythinformedMKE) May 7, 2023
A lot of the arguments from those calling this a murder have centered on the theory that Penny meant to kill Neely and that this was an act of racist violence. But the above video shows several things that complicate that narrative greatly.
First, you can see that Penny released the submission hold, and Neely was then placed into what is called the “recovery position.” That is done to fully open up the airway, typically allowing a regaining of consciousness. That would heavily suggest that there was no intent by Penny to harm Neely.
Secondly, you can see Neely’s chest still moving (and his leg even appearing to move) in the video at multiple points, which again suggests that Penny let him go with the expectation that he was subdued, not mortally wounded. Was Neely still breathing when the paramedics got there?
Thirdly, you can hear passengers thanking Penny for engaging Neely. That suggests that the people on the train did feel that the latter posed a real violent threat. Whether their feelings were justified or not is another matter, but it again speaks to Penny’s state of mind and the information he was working with. What exactly did Neely say prior to the altercation? Did he aggressively approach any of the passengers? These are all details that witnesses will have to fill in.
Of course, none of the above means Penny won’t be charged with a crime. Self-defense laws vary from state to state; if the evidence doesn’t support the idea that Neely represented a clear and present threat to those around him, a grand jury might still vote to indict him.
With that said, while arguments over legal culpability will go on, including possibly involuntary manslaughter, what I think this latest video shows pretty definitively is that this was not a “lynching” or a targeted killing. Penny’s actions after releasing the submission hold do not appear to be those of a man who was intending to cause permanent harm.
I saw that Peele had been placed in the recovery position, but by then, he appeared to be already dead.
The choke hold was maintained just a little too long.
This guy (the thug) may have already had his metabolism sped up from some kind of substance.
That Marine did the world a favor.
L
Too many sidewalk zombies.
Handled it like a pro, but they’ll martyr him anyway.
RE: The choke hold was maintained just a little too long.
The issue will boil, did the Marine give him the hold with the intent to subdue him, or with the intent to kill him?
I believe that it was the former. Any drugs or external substance found within Neel’s system will be supporting evidence in favor of the Marine.
BTW, The Marine had two other passengers who helped him subdue Neely. One of them was .... ready for this? — BLACK.
Thank God that the psycho scumbag is dead.
Actually, to me both young men assisting the Marine look to be either Latino or Arabic. Doesn’t matter at this point though. You can bet if those two guys were apparently white, the mobs would be calling for their prosecution as well. That still might happen. It’s likely the police took the name of at least one of his assistants.
Interesting there were Reddit posts warning about this guy before.
Uh-huh. What about this?
“Secondly, you can see Neely’s chest still moving (and his leg even appearing to move) in the video at multiple points.”
Wishful thinking?
Optical illusion?
...
Others claim to have seen video evidence that strongly contradicts your assessment.
Is there an explanation that reconciles both?
I interpreted the leg movement as rigor mortis, but then I readily admit to not being a licensed Medical Examiner.
At the end of the video Neely inhales very deeply, his chest expanding suddenly, but that appears to be his only movement. He is limp, unresponsive, his limbs flopping wherever they are moved by others.
The deep inhalation is not agonal breathing, it is a true breath, but as the video cuts there, we don’t know if he continued breathing.
Doesn’t matter. White =guilty. Whites are fair game and blacks who attack them will be protected by the democrats.
Bkmk
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.