Posted on 04/19/2023 8:59:46 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Update from Ukraine | The Sign of the new Ukrainian Counterattack | We go all in
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Invasion Day 420 – Summary April 19, 2023 Jerome News The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the last 48 hours, as of 2023 – 22:00 (Kyiv time).
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SO what was yellow. Neutral, abstained, other?
recent ‘history’
woodpusher: "Now, if the Amish could only have the Biden outlaw all churches aligned with Rome, England or Israel, and take their buildings, and force them to align with the Amish faith....
That connotes a hypothetical GOVERNMENT action by The Biden. But do try to deliberately "misunderstand" as is your wont.
The Amish have no interest in churches aligned with Rome, England or Israel. Nor are they "aligned" with anyone else's faith.
I was pointing out the absurdity of even attempting to support the concept of a government, any government, taking such actions as those ascribed to the Ukranian government. But you are free to defend such absurdities of the Elensky government if you feel compelled to do so.
woodpusher: "Well, son of bitch, the prosecutor got fired."In 2016, having nothing whatever to do with Zelenskyy and your claims in post #121 that, "Then he wrongfully converted it [US aid] to his own use. He didn't steal, he embezzled."
Actually my post stated:
In the most notoriously corrupt country in Europe. Well, son of bitch, the prosecutor got fired. Ten per cent for the big guy. Like your hero Obama, you do not see even a hint of corruption. Not even a smidgen. Are you sure you are not John Kirby?Pandora Papers Reveal Offshore Holdings of Ukrainian President and his Inner Circle
Organized Crime & Corruption - Reporting Project (OCCRP)
There is ample evidence that the Biden crime family has been feeding like pigs at the trough in the corrupt Ukraine for years. Why, he's practically a rock star at the Organized Crime & Corruption Reporting Project.
There is nothing corrupt about a person suddenly becoming very wealthy, whether he be Biden or Zelensky. What's amazing about Biden is he did it on a government salary. And he did it with people like Zelensky.
Will you also condemn the strictures that the Russians place on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kyiv Patriarchate) and on the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church?
I have no information that the Russian government places restrictions on churches in Ukraine. I support the American idea of freedom of religion. To the extent possible, government should stay out of religion
If you mean church leaders in Russia place restrictions on subordinate or affiliate churches in Ukraine, similar to the Vatican placing restrictions on Roman Catholic churches worldwide, it is none of my concern.
Russia’s Donbas proxy ‘republic’ seizes Ukrainian Orthodox Church for the Moscow Patriarchate
LPR and DPR declared independence nine years ago. They have been recognized by the Russian Federation and annexed upon request. They are a bit beyond being called proxy republics, or a singular proxy republic.
In any case, it is not entirely clear who or what is taking the church. It reads as if it may be done by the mayor of a village in DPR.
The Donetsk – Mariupol Eparchy reported on 25 April that the so-called ‘DPR enforcement agency’ had put pressure on the Mayor of the village of Kuznetsovo-Mykhailivka to appropriate the church.
If the church created in Ukraine in 2019 is gobbling up orthodox churches in Ukraine affiliated with the Russian patriarchy, they might expect something similar to happen to them in Russia, and LPR and DPR are now part of the Russian Federation.
The folks in the area have been fighting for about a millenium or two, and this is the crap that happens. If Ukraine ever regains control of that area, the churches would probably all change again. When politics fail, the military sorts out the problems.
That annexation has been recognized by North Korea. That is good enough for any Marxist-Leninist.
In reality land, many thousands of Russian speakers from the Donbas are fighting hard to kick the corrupt Russians, arrogant Mohammedan Chechens, and impoverished Buryats out of their Donbas hometowns. Russian atrocities in the Donbas have been underreported.
You don't need such close personal understandings of Russians' historical behaviors to understand the very basics -- Vlad the Invader assaulted and annexed parts of Ukraine not only without Just Cause, but without serious pretexts.
Ukraine's right to defend itself is 100% independent of how corrupt Ukraine's government may, or may not, allegedly be, relative to Europe or Russia, but is absolute, as is our right to help them.
Yes.
So far, the only allegations "ascribed to the Ukrainian government" are that they have arrested Russian orthodox clergy suspected of supporting Vlad the Invader's war against Ukraine.
What you actually did was change the subject, rather than admit you were obviously wrong in your claims in post #121 that, "Then he [Zelenskyy] wrongfully converted it [US aid] to his own use. He didn't steal, he embezzled."
woodpusher: "There is ample evidence that the Biden crime family has been feeding like pigs at the trough in the corrupt Ukraine for years. "
Sure, maybe, but also at every other "trough" out there, from Russia's to China's and lots of smaller countries.
There is no evidence -- zero, zip, zilch, nada evidence -- that OBidens are any more compromised by Ukraine than by any of those others, indeed, arguably less so.
About a year ago I decided to look for “fact check” info on Zelenskyy wealth and off shore accounts. After examining various sources of info, some right and some left, I decided Forbes had the most reasonable sounding information. I believe their report was in 2021 and suggested total wealth of around $20 million. It said he and wife had around $4 million in real estate. His biggest chunk was from selling playing rights to Netflix of over 50 episodes of his wildly popular TV show with him playing President for around $11 million. I don’t remember the other items and I could be wrong on the real estate figure, but I definitely remember the $11 and $20 million figures. At the time the figures Forbes had identified seemed reasonable for a successful TV personality in a second world country..
Might be interesting to compare with Trump income figures for his media activities.
So far, the only allegations "ascribed to the Ukrainian government" are that they have arrested Russian orthodox clergy suspected of supporting Vlad the Invader's war against Ukraine.
You are free to proclaim your ignorance of reality and to defend the indefensible, as is your wont. It shows who and what you are — a champion of the Bidens and Elenskys and all they stand for.
There is no evidence -- zero, zip, zilch, nada evidence -- that OBidens are any more compromised by Ukraine than by any of those others, indeed, arguably less so.
You are free to proclaim your ignorance of reality and to defend the indefensible, as is your wont. It shows who and what your are — a champion of the Bidens and Elenskys and all they stand for.
Interestingly, those complaining loudest about Zelensky’s “corruption” literally couldn’t care less about Russia’s century long corruption of US institutions and those of our NATO allies.
Please feel free, whenever the spirit moves you, to provide actual evidence to support any of your more outrageous claims.
I do put a lot of faith in real evidence.
I put no faith -- zero, nada, zilch faith -- in ridiculous accusations.
Believe it or not, there are groups which study and try to quantify the levels of corruption in different countries.
On a scale of 1 to 10, if some European countries are the least corrupt at 1, and Russia is the most corrupt at 10, then Ukraine falls in the middle, around 5.
It's also interesting to note that while Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy was elected in 2019 on his pledge to clean up Ukraine's politics, Russia's Vladimir Putin has presided over Russia's corrupt institutions since 2000.
Russia today is what Putin has made it.
Say it loud. Say it proud.
[BroJoeK #152] There is no evidence -- zero, zip, zilch, nada evidence -- that OBidens are any more compromised by Ukraine than by any of those others, indeed, arguably less so.
How about if you confess the truth -- you have a wonderful talent for making ludicrous accusations, but you have zero, zip, nada talent for providing evidence to support your ridiculous claims.
In this example, the Biden Crime Family should all be in jail for seriously long times, for manifest crimes against the United States, but they're not, nor will Ukraine make any difference in that.
Nor is there evidence to suggest that Bidens are more compromised by Ukraine than they are by many others, notably China and Russia.
Most importantly, helping Ukrainians fend off Vlad the Invader's orcs is a noble cause, regardless of how ignoble or compromised the Bidens are.
That's a fact, your absurd allegations notwithstanding.
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