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This would have not happened if Trump was Commander-in-Chief. This disturbing news released should have international fallout.
1 posted on 02/08/2023 3:00:57 PM PST by Macho MAGA Man
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Not buying it. Who leaked? How was the attack carried out?


2 posted on 02/08/2023 3:06:37 PM PST by Smellin Salt
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Victoria Nuland and Jake Sullivan.


3 posted on 02/08/2023 3:07:51 PM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) Forget "Global Warming", new grants are for "Galaxy Dimming")
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To: Macho MAGA Man

It’s going to be interesting to see how the German people respond to this revelation. I doubt they will be happy to put it mildly. Just how much of a lackey are they willing to be?


4 posted on 02/08/2023 3:08:01 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: Macho MAGA Man
This is an act of war, if true.

It will be interesting to see if the WH has any comments on this (and if true, how they address it).

The propaganda behind the "Putin bad, 'murica good" campaign is relentless, so an act of American aggression presents no small hurdle for it to overcome.

8 posted on 02/08/2023 3:15:30 PM PST by Captain Walker (Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.-Pascal)
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That’s an amazingly reckless act of war.

No, I am not remotely a Putin fan.

But this was an unprovoked attack on the assets of a sovereign nation in international waters.

Completely insane.


10 posted on 02/08/2023 3:21:38 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Many of already knew it was the US, Biden and Nuland both voiced a promise to take out Nordstream2 if Putin invaded Ukraine. The US is the only one who benefits from this action. Something like this is an act of war and a pretty big deal, and yet there’s few responses on here when Hersh’s article was posted earlier.


12 posted on 02/08/2023 3:24:35 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Uncle Sam or the Mossad is my bet


13 posted on 02/08/2023 3:27:15 PM PST by Rural_Michigan
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To: Macho MAGA Man; ransomnote; Travis McGee

*PING*


19 posted on 02/08/2023 3:41:05 PM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: Macho MAGA Man
This would have not happened if Trump was Commander-in-Chief.

That's why everyone from Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Schiff, Milley and much of Washington DC tried to remove him. They eventually succeeded.

20 posted on 02/08/2023 3:45:43 PM PST by PGR88 (, )
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To: Macho MAGA Man

No surprises.


22 posted on 02/08/2023 3:51:32 PM PST by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: Macho MAGA Man

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream


25 posted on 02/08/2023 4:10:37 PM PST by Bogie
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Do we really need to go over this again?

It was not just the US and Germany who had reasons to stop the Nord lines. Russia had its own reasons which those accusing the US of sabotaging the lines refuse to acknowledge.

Russia does not actually own Nord 2. They own the loans on Nord 2 that would be paid back by the revenues from selling natural gas through it. Nord 2 had not been certified by Germany before the war, so not one meter of gas was ever shipped and Russia has not made any money from Nord 2 at all.

After Biden put sanctions on Nord 2, the company that owns it filed for bankruptcy in Swiss courts, on top of Germany refusing to buy any gas through Nord 2. After the invasion, Germany refused to buy any Russian gas through the Nord lines. Germany is not going to support Russia's war efforts and is willing to pay the price for it. The European energy market is adjusting to cut Russia out. Russia is losing so much revenue from not selling oil and gas they are cutting production this year. What they ship to India, China and other countries is at higher cost that it is nearly at cost just to keep the wells running.

Germany and the rest of Europe were already negotiating other long term energy deals to cut Russia out of the European energy market, and not looking back, before the sabotage. Biden already had what he wanted, there was no need for the US to sabotage the Nord lines several months after they were dead weight on the bottom of the Baltic.

As far as the Biden administration discussing sabotaging the Nord lines, they probably did have that discussion. The US government has all sorts of contingency plans that the public does not know, does not want to know, and have never been carried out. Having a plan is not the same as carrying it out. The discussions Hersh mentions were in February/March, Nord was sabotaged in September, after Germany and Europe committed to cutting Russia out of their energy market. Since the Biden administration already had what it wanted, with the lines shut down and never going to get used, there was no need to sabotage the lines at all.

The only one who comes out not getting what they is Putin. Russia is out billions of Euros in loans, fines, and future lost revenue. During the Cold War, Russia had numerous specialized reconnaissance and sabotage submarines. Russia is the only party coming up short. Russia had billions of Euros in reason and the means to take out the Nord lines.

31 posted on 02/08/2023 4:46:15 PM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

this is nothing more than yet ANOTHER regurgitation of perpetual conspiracy theorist hersh’s “anonymous source” nonsense ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Seymour+Hersh+perpetual+conspiracy+theorist


33 posted on 02/08/2023 5:00:22 PM PST by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Mr. Seymour Hersh is a discredited communist. Freepers used to know this.


51 posted on 02/09/2023 9:39:38 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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