EMERGING REGRET ABOUT UKRAINE WAR IN THE U.S.

Sonar 21 ^ | 14 January 2023 | Larry Johnson

[Kazan]

America’s infatuation with Ukraine and Zelensky (the Cocaine Comedian) is starting to wane, but most politicians and the public continue to believe the lie that Ukraine is an innocent country being bludgeoned by a communist Russia ruled by a dictator. Oh yeah. Don’t forget. Russia is suffering massive military and economic losses and just can’t live without U.S. investment and Europe’s technology. It is all nonsense, but if you are living in the United States and try to have a reasoned discussion with the fan boys and girls cheering for Ukraine, you would find more success talking to a brick wall.

But cracks are starting to show. One of my brilliant readers sent me the link to Michael Brendan Dougherty‘s latest in the National Review (a conservative icon in the magazine world), What Have We Bargained for in Ukraine? I encourage you to read the entire piece. More importantly, read the comments. That will give you some insight into the insanity that still reigns with regards to sending billions of dollars in money and materiel to Ukraine.

Here are the salient portions of the piece:

My friend and colleague Matthew Continetti writes that “securing America’s position and freedom’s future without direct intervention and for a rounding error in the federal budget is a strategic bargain. Ukraine needs more, not less, U.S. aid, and it needs it now.” In Commentary in November, Noah Rothman wrote that “Kyiv’s victories are our victories, too, insofar as they advance a core American national interest: preserving the stable European covenant that has blessed Western powers with the longest, most durable peace on the Continent in the modern age.”

This view holds that for pennies on the dollar, the U.S. has been able to preserve a democracy threatened by an authoritarian regime, cripple a rival military, strengthen the NATO alliance, prevent Vladimir Putin from an inevitable invasion of NATO territory, and scare off Xi Jinping from ever messing with Taiwan. . . .

Except, none of this is quite true. Crippling a rival military is only worthwhile when you have a strategic reason for doing so, and we conspicuously lack one. The NATO alliance’s duties have been radically expanded with no radical expansion in the share of the alliance’s burdens shouldered by Europe. Ukraine’s ultra-nationalist project is at odds with the democratic and liberal-internationalist values that are used to sell the conflict abroad. The conflict’s financial and moral costs to the U.S. have been growing for nearly a decade, and taking on Ukraine as a permanent dependent will grow them even more. The arc of the conflict is just as likely to encourage as to discourage Xi in his pursuit of Taiwan, given the ways in which our enmeshment in Europe will deplete our attention, resources, and will to be the world’s cop. And finally, no conflict in this blood-stained area of the globe is a mom-and-pop bingo game in which you can cash out your modest investments at any time; Vladimir Putin and Russia have a say in how this ends.

There you have it. A prominent conservative writer who was a strong supporter of Ukraine (and still insists that Putin is some sort of Darth Vader who enjoys borscht) is conceding that America’s strategy is based on a lie.

Over at Neo-Con central — i.e., the Institute for the Study of War — the stenographers masquerading as analysts grudgingly concede that Russia captured Soledar, but then proceeds to focus on their own fantastical speculation that there is political strife in Russia surrounding the Wagner Group’s success in the battle for Soledar. They write nothing about the strategic significance of the fall of Soledar, nothing about the growing Russian pressure on Bakhmut to the south of Soledar and nothing about Ukraine’s catastrophic casualties. It is genuinely bizarre.

[TTFX]

I wonder if the Europeans get involved due to US pressure or they also have people from their countries that captured the government and want to get involved for their personal interests.

[Allegra]

It has all the disenchanting aspects of the great scamdemic.

And most of us with an IQ over 50 smelled it from the get-go.

[Jeff Chandler]

They get paid to post.

How much, and where do I sign up?

[hinckley buzzard]

The defense budget for 2023 was increased by 30 billion, a 4% increase. We surely could use that 135 Billion rounding error for our own military instead of Ukraine’s.

[Ajnin]

The Russian invasion of Ukraine pales in comparison to the invasion of the US by the entire third world.

[Jeff Chandler]

And most of us with an IQ over 50 smelled it from the get-go.

I smelled it when all the sheep changed their Facebook profile frames from Black Lives Matter, then to Stop Asian Hate, then to We Can Do It (Covax), then to I Stand With Ukraine.

Like marionettes.

[Chunga85]

Of all the deficits we run, and there are many, the biggest and most difficult to overcome will be the complete lack of humility.

Coming to possess a genuine sense of humility is a lesson much easier to learn than be taught and we are *all* about to be taught a lesson we’ll never forget.

About the best thing that can happen in the US is to provoke yet another war, and LOSE decisively. That’s what is happening.

The ridiculous, non-stop cheerleading for Ukraine, along with very misleading “facts” regurgitated over and over, make FR look like a weird combination of “The Onion”, “Babylon Bee”, and “Romper Room”.

[Boogieman]

“Russia stopped being communist with the dissolution of the Soviet Union.”

Explain the Luhansk and Donetsk “Peoples’ Republics” then.

[Rural_Michigan]

Support the latest thing!

[House Atreides]

OCEANIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EURASIA.

[Robert DeLong]

ABOUT LARRY C. JOHNSON

I am a bona fide Son of American Revolutionaries. At least 24 of my ancestors, men and women, fought to free the American Colonies from British rule. Some died for the cause of liberty. Though two and a half centuries have passed since my great grandfathers and grandmothers took up arms, the principles they fought for remain valid and relevant to the 21st Century. This blog is dedicated to the pursuit of truth without regard to partisan advantage. I welcome like minded patriots.

Question for Timber Rattler:

Can you claim even 1 ancestor who fought for freedom from British Rule?

Before you ask, I know I can't, but then again I am not the one trashing this man either.

[Gnome1949]

It is cosmically ironic Russia is in the process of saving nationalism on the world stage. They are all in on national identity, culture and language while so many traitors in so many countries are hell-bent on globalism which is top-down tyranny under a gentler name.

Globalism means a few tyrants rule the entire world with an iron fist. Russia is actually in the process of saving our unique identities as independent nations. Russia is the enemy of multinational corporations wanting no borders or limits placed on their limitless greed and international tyranny.

[MarMema]

Quite a few Freepers are still living in times 30 years ago.

[SteelPSUGOP]

Of course we were going to support Hunter’s War. This is what happens when the President is in the middle of corruption with his prodigal son.

The whole thing is manufactured by the military industrial complex/deep state. We push and push and push Russia, for no reason, until they have to respond....stupidly of course.

The elites will say, this is how we got rid of Putin......Putin is going to die someday anyway. Cheaper to just wait him out and stop lining the pockets of the oligarchs.

[Timber Rattler]

Thank you for making my point! Johnson's a complete joke and charlatan.

And to answer your question, since we're comparing genealogies, I have EIGHT ancestors who fought in the Continental forces during the War for Independence, another great uncle who died on the last night before the Armistice in World War I, and another who was killed by a kamikaze on an aircraft carrier during World War II.

Anything else?

[MarMema]

That is exactly my thinking!!! Thank you.

[Vaquero]

NY Vs NJ. Same same. Let them fight it out amongst themselves. No US involvement

[MarMema]

What is your point? You think “peoples republic”, translated from Russian, makes them communist?

You need to get out more.

[PGR88]

the biggest and most difficult (deficit) to overcome will be the complete lack of humility.

Well said. But those permanent DC swamp members will never, ever go willingly. Its the nature of ideologues and totalitarians who hold absolute power.

The question then is - does this country have enough Democracy and civil society left to overcome our rapidly growing MIC and highly politicized and centralized DOJ/KGB lawfare/surveillance state?

[kiryandil]

You were IBTTT!