Posted on 01/17/2023 8:36:27 AM PST by Kazan
America’s infatuation with Ukraine and Zelensky (the Cocaine Comedian) is starting to wane, but most politicians and the public continue to believe the lie that Ukraine is an innocent country being bludgeoned by a communist Russia ruled by a dictator. Oh yeah. Don’t forget. Russia is suffering massive military and economic losses and just can’t live without U.S. investment and Europe’s technology. It is all nonsense, but if you are living in the United States and try to have a reasoned discussion with the fan boys and girls cheering for Ukraine, you would find more success talking to a brick wall.
But cracks are starting to show. One of my brilliant readers sent me the link to Michael Brendan Dougherty‘s latest in the National Review (a conservative icon in the magazine world), What Have We Bargained for in Ukraine? I encourage you to read the entire piece. More importantly, read the comments. That will give you some insight into the insanity that still reigns with regards to sending billions of dollars in money and materiel to Ukraine.
Here are the salient portions of the piece:
My friend and colleague Matthew Continetti writes that “securing America’s position and freedom’s future without direct intervention and for a rounding error in the federal budget is a strategic bargain. Ukraine needs more, not less, U.S. aid, and it needs it now.” In Commentary in November, Noah Rothman wrote that “Kyiv’s victories are our victories, too, insofar as they advance a core American national interest: preserving the stable European covenant that has blessed Western powers with the longest, most durable peace on the Continent in the modern age.”
This view holds that for pennies on the dollar, the U.S. has been able to preserve a democracy threatened by an authoritarian regime, cripple a rival military, strengthen the NATO alliance, prevent Vladimir Putin from an inevitable invasion of NATO territory, and scare off Xi Jinping from ever messing with Taiwan. . . .
Except, none of this is quite true. Crippling a rival military is only worthwhile when you have a strategic reason for doing so, and we conspicuously lack one. The NATO alliance’s duties have been radically expanded with no radical expansion in the share of the alliance’s burdens shouldered by Europe. Ukraine’s ultra-nationalist project is at odds with the democratic and liberal-internationalist values that are used to sell the conflict abroad. The conflict’s financial and moral costs to the U.S. have been growing for nearly a decade, and taking on Ukraine as a permanent dependent will grow them even more. The arc of the conflict is just as likely to encourage as to discourage Xi in his pursuit of Taiwan, given the ways in which our enmeshment in Europe will deplete our attention, resources, and will to be the world’s cop. And finally, no conflict in this blood-stained area of the globe is a mom-and-pop bingo game in which you can cash out your modest investments at any time; Vladimir Putin and Russia have a say in how this ends.
There you have it. A prominent conservative writer who was a strong supporter of Ukraine (and still insists that Putin is some sort of Darth Vader who enjoys borscht) is conceding that America’s strategy is based on a lie.
Over at Neo-Con central — i.e., the Institute for the Study of War — the stenographers masquerading as analysts grudgingly concede that Russia captured Soledar, but then proceeds to focus on their own fantastical speculation that there is political strife in Russia surrounding the Wagner Group’s success in the battle for Soledar. They write nothing about the strategic significance of the fall of Soledar, nothing about the growing Russian pressure on Bakhmut to the south of Soledar and nothing about Ukraine’s catastrophic casualties. It is genuinely bizarre.
“Ruled by a thug, run like a mafia territory”
When I lived there that described how it was, multiplied by ten - thirty years ago.
September 16, 2014 7:33 AM
UPDATE September 16, 2014 1:16 PM
Ukraine Parliament Grants Self-Rule to Eastern Regions
February 21, 20224:04 PM ET
Russia recognizes 2 Ukrainian regions as independent
Thu 8 May 2014 02.59 EDT
Putin says eastern Ukraine referendum on autonomy should be postponed
Problem is you cheerleaders think you know it all, but you know very little in reality. The only thing you know is; Russia Invaded Ukraine. You don't know why, you don't know what was done to try and avoid an invasion, and you never accept what others try to inform you, because like leftists you shout down anyone who offers a narrative that differs from the narrative you have accepted from the propaganda masters.
Nasty? Fight fire with fire as they say.
You just wait. When this US led disaster is over I will be here to rub you nose in it along with all the other depraved misfits that behave the way you do.
“...he nor Russia recognized that autonomy until shortly before the invasion began”
So the answer is that he provided them with Russian military hardware long before Russia recognized their autonomy I guess. I wonder if there are any international laws regarding that...
“Problem is you cheerleaders think you know it all, but you know very little in reality.”
Translation: anyone who disagrees with me must be ignorant, because I am all-knowing.
You're talking to the wrong guy. Go have that conversation with the OP here:
Russian defense ministry confirms plan to expand army to 1.5 million troops
That can cut both ways.
Well maybe you should buy it.
History is filled with great nation that destroyed themselves through foreign interventionism. The U.S. will eventually financially exhaust itself if it continues to intervene in other countries.
If I did, you’d be the first to go.
Go for it then...
“Go have that conversation with the OP here:”
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For posting one thread? You people are so selfish you don’t even want one thread opposing your Bidenesque views? At least he’s not replying to himself over and over again like your pals here do. And these are *daily.*
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4123880/posts
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4123976/posts
And this one posts several tabloid trash threads a day. This crap is stinking u the site. And that’s just a very small sample of what you people post to clog the feed with every day.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4124020/posts
Kazan is a known Putin’s troll
Uh, he's doing exactly what you're accusing me of. And its one of many, among himself and his pro-Kremlin compatriots.
Nobody’s forcing you to read it. And if you don’t like it, then I suggest you buy the site.
In this case these two republics were relatively lawless right wing fascist places run by neo Stalinist types and Russian nationalists - prior to Russia taking them on.
Reminiscent of most new separatist governments, much like Chechnya was in the 90s.
Today they are under Russia and styling a typical Russian oblast government. It has been described as very similar to what France has in place.
“In this case these two republics were relatively lawless right wing fascist places run by neo Stalinist types and Russian nationalists - prior to Russia taking them on.”
So Putin was giving Russian military hardware to lawless right wing fascists and neo Stalinists to stage a revolution in his neighboring country, that’s what I’m hearing.
Quite a few Freepers are living in Moscow. Lol.
Nobody’s forcing *you* to selfishly clog this site with multiple tabloid threads all hours of the day.
*We* just want to be able to see a balanced reflection of the news, not a feed jammed with your garbage.
I’m not going to reiterate my position again. I’ve made it abundantly clear and just because you aren’t bright enough to get it isn’t my problem. Several of your fellow propagandists are just as obtuse. And you all use the exact same tactics. It’s almost as if you’re being trained by the same entity.
Bye now.
Allegra - read this one.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4123957/posts
The forum seems to be subjected to an ongoing psyop if you ask me - people posting trash and flaming Freepers entitled to perfectly valid views. We are not robots. We do not all think alike. We respect each other. We are all entitled to our own views and not be trashed and insulted as Putin’s puppets.
The only explanation of course is we have been infiltrated and this is intentional sowing of discord.
All the behaviour is classic Alinsky’s Rules antagonism.
Snake and Sappy are here to ruin it for the rest of us.
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