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Critics Call It Theocratic and Authoritarian. Young Conservatives Call It an Exciting New Legal Theory.
Politico ^ | 12/09/2022 | Ian Ward

Posted on 12/10/2022 12:29:16 PM PST by TexasKamaAina

At the center of this debate was Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule, whose latest book served as the ostensible subject of the symposium. In conservative legal circles, Vermeule has become the most prominent proponent of “common good constitutionalism,” a controversial new theory that challenges many of the fundamental premises and principles of the conservative legal movement. The cornerstone of Vermeule’s theory is the claim that “the central aim of the constitutional order is to promote good rule, not to ‘protect liberty’ as an end in itself” — or, in layman’s terms, that the Constitution empowers the government to pursue conservative political ends, even when those ends conflict with individual rights as most Americans understand them.


TOPICS: Government; Society
KEYWORDS: constitutionalism
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To: DesertRhino
Yes, this sounds like another attempt to co-opt the conservative movement by people that claim to be conservatives, but aren't.
21 posted on 12/10/2022 2:02:06 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (To solve the Democrat problem, the RINO problem must first be solved.)
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To: TexasKamaAina

Mark Levin talked about it on his show Friday. I didn’t get to hear all of it. He was very critical of it. I hope he will cover it more Monday. We need to have an answer to bad ideas that show up on what is supposedly our side. The left has no guardrails, so there is no barrier against bad ideas. We can’t afford to do the same.


22 posted on 12/10/2022 2:04:19 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: TexasKamaAina

I believe this article could be rewritten from a liberal point of view. A lot depends on the definition of “common good constitutionalism”, on the definition of “common good”.

The left could argue that same sex marriage, abortion on demand, and open borders are in the interest of the common good.

If the right implements this idea, the left will take it over and ruin with it. (That wasn’t a typo.)


23 posted on 12/10/2022 2:05:10 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (c)
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To: DesertRhino

HEAR HEAR!


24 posted on 12/10/2022 2:07:37 PM PST by Axenolith (WWG1WGA!)
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To: TexasKamaAina

If conservatism goes that route it loses me.


25 posted on 12/10/2022 2:24:54 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: DesertRhino

“There is nothing ‘conservative’ about a constitutional theory where the collective is more important than individual liberty. Nothing.... pure trash.”

It’s worse than that. When they start using terms like “for the common good” the government will see it as a green light for ever more tyranny.


26 posted on 12/10/2022 3:29:24 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: DesertRhino

Absolutely agree

This is just another way to get people on board to accept rulers

No thanks


27 posted on 12/10/2022 3:31:53 PM PST by Manuel OKelley
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To: jarwulf

“Its basically conservative ‘living constitutionalism’ I guess.”

That is EXACTLY what it is.


28 posted on 12/10/2022 3:38:43 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: TexasKamaAina

Libs have a lot of nerve/gall/chutzpah calling anything authoritarian.

Commies.


29 posted on 12/10/2022 3:39:42 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV)
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To: TexasKamaAina

Sounds good, but I’m an advocate of straight-up open Theocracy myself.


30 posted on 12/10/2022 4:03:10 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

yes previous and current theocracies are heaven on earth


31 posted on 12/10/2022 4:17:32 PM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: joshua c
yes previous and current theocracies are heaven on earth

The only true Theocracy that has ever existed in history was ancient Israel/Judah.

What did you expect the Messianic era to be--secular humanist?

32 posted on 12/10/2022 4:22:33 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: TexasKamaAina

A legal thoery claiming to be “conservative” on some notion of the “common good” as a higher foundational principle than Liberty, is not Conservative, because by whose definition is the “common good” if in fact the most common good is NOT Liberty.


33 posted on 12/10/2022 4:23:25 PM PST by Wuli
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To: BenLurkin
Libertarian is conservative? Hogwash. Open borders. Legal prostitution. Homosexuality. Vending machine narcotics.

All under the "dumbrella" of libertarian.

And I loathe to see them on FR.

34 posted on 12/10/2022 4:47:45 PM PST by LouAvul (Daniel 4:17: "..the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.." )
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To: TexasKamaAina

No, thanks.


35 posted on 12/10/2022 5:44:19 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: LouAvul

pretty sure President Reagan wasn’t in favor of any of those things.


36 posted on 12/10/2022 6:05:58 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: DesertRhino

“Nothing.... pure trash.”

Those opposed to Originalism are enemies of liberty and the American people.


37 posted on 12/10/2022 7:01:13 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: BenLurkin

You keep posting that lie, that one little quote taken out of context of a speech Reagan was giving to libertarians.

It was an audience warm-up and then trying to move them to conservatism, a move you seem to disagree with him on.


38 posted on 12/10/2022 9:20:16 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: qaz123

That’s no joke. This was a reliably red county until COVID hysteria. Terribly sad.

And terrifying. I can’t get out of Illinois fast enough.


39 posted on 12/11/2022 3:08:05 PM PST by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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