Posted on 11/11/2022 9:43:54 PM PST by Ozguy1945
Today on the steps of the Victorian Parliament, I have seen very passionate pro-freedom protestors pepper sprayed, bashed and arrested by the corrupted police force of a Socialist Left State Government. Not all these cops are bad cops (I believe the majority are OK) but the way this police force is used by politicians to back up PC crap with institutionalized fear is profoundly bad.
(https://freedom-demokrasi-and-civilised-humanity.com/2018/02/08/an-open-letter-to-daniel-andrews-police-state-tactics-from-the-alp/)
This crap has been going on for far too long.
Today saW a police woman on the front line at this confrontation between freedom and tyranny wearing no identity. A police officer next to me blatantly lied saying that she was.
Today incidents were filmed by too many activists to go unknown and be swept under the carpet.
If the footage proves that what happened was unjustified assault on citizens exercising their rights, then maybe the good cops will pull the bad ones back through proper investigation of the crimes.
Maybe not.
God Bless Truth.
God Bless Freedom.
I know which side I am on.
Hi Ozguy.
What exactly, was the bone of contention here?
What is the issue these folks are protesting?
If it is ‘A Police State’, then I would ask, ‘As evidenced by what? I know cops in both Australia and Canada were going nuts with the enforcement of Covid rules some months ago.
Is that still the core issue?
Com’o man,
You know damn well that Police State tyranny is exactly the bone of contention here.
He is asking Ozguy if COVID restrictions are still the core issue being protested.
I’m in Canada, but born and raised in America, both of which may aid me in understanding his question.
Outside of New Zealand, I don’t think too many people in the rest of the world know much about Australia’s current situation. Looking at your home page, I have no idea about whether you do, or are interested in learning.
I live in a similar fellow Dominion country, have both a sister-in-law and a number of distant relatives in Australia, and have taught a handful of Australian exchange students (I have one right now) as well as several Kiwis.nnHowever, most of what I know about the “Australia Police State” I learn from FR. Naturalman1975 is a tremendous resource, but if Ozguy (or you) are capable of providing accurate detailed analysis, those of us who are “just across the pond” could benefit greatly.
The English speaking world isn’t just America, or just America and England, and each of the parts has its own nuance.
“... I have no idea whether you do, or are interested in learning.”
Shove off, eh,
Loser.
I read the first two pages of your posting history, and that’s about what I expected, and correlates nicely with your home page..
Flying a flag is some help, but you do not do so, possibly to remain anonymous but more likely because it requires effort. You’ve neer posted an article, and most of your posts are too short to be Haiku-—
nothing even approaching sonnet length.
Reality is very complex, and if one insists in presenting it and having it presented in bite sized chunks only, one will not grapple with it very well.
I am impressed that you know something of Canadian culture—as “eh” evidences—you should try the beer, the hockey, the poutine, and The Worms (link below to “When Canada Rules the World”).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G84iG3Ny3o
On the other hand, you mis-spelled Hoser. (The Canadian equivalent of Redneck)
And, being American born, I’m happy to say that I’m not the least bit sorry to be executing one of the spiritual works of mercy.
I now have the misfortune of being a dual citizen—unfortunate not because I am ashamed of either country, but because one can’t ride two horses, or give both adequate attention when both are sick.
All that said, if you really want the swamp cleaned out, maybe provoking Canada is the way to go, and perhaps you can get the Canadians to come down and burn Washington a second time. Some of them have been giving it some thought.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsfz3f18NxU
(The Worms, The War of 1812)
Your tag line fits—throw one pitch, claim victory without risking a hit or showing any balls.
The link to The War of 1812 appears not to work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsfz3f18NxU
Sorry, (or should I say “Bless your heart”). Enjoy
The Worms (More properly “The Arrogant Worms”) kick @$$
Listen jackA, Jordan Peterson you are Not (even remotely)
I didn’t misspell Hoser, I meant Loser, you.
For all your vaunted dual citizenship, agreed unfortunate for both, you don’t know jack about my user name (not my tag dummy)
So take off HOSER
Four lines—impressive. You have surpassed Haiku. I give you credit for your literary accomplishments as well as your spelling, but your ability to recognize dead pan humour may be slightly deficient.
One more line and you will be into Limerick territory, but an epic from you is “inconceivable”, Princess—Of course, no Homer to be expected from A Strike.
I came here for an argument, but what I found was abuse—stupid git. Room 12a I believe. (I give you credit, perhaps undue, for knowing rudimentary Monty Python)
Why would I want to be a University Professor from Toronto? Peterson is good for who he is, but the problem with Toronto is that they think they’re New York.
A line I steal from one of the greatst hits of Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie (if you like The Worms, you’ll love The Trolls).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRjurRdep_Q
(A very patriotic song if you are from Alberta [but not Calgary], but pretty well every Hoser outside of the GTA can relate—and if you are a Hoser, why would you be in the GTA?).
As to username, I seem to be being faithful to my patron on an off day. Enjoy.
“Four lines——impressive.”
Verbose is obviously your standard for intelligence, which you exceed at with irrelevant obscure poetry reference.
and to somewhat denigrate Prof. Peterson as you can’t hope to climb his scale
Three Dead Trolls? The Worms ?
No one on planet earth except for you knows who they ‘are’.
Far from holding verbose up as a standard, I prize conciseness and clarity, and was taught by the best to do so. Being short due merely to having virtually no content is, I will grant, better than being long, and you are to be commended for that.
I’m not sure whether it is Monty Python or Homer as obscure, but it is an outstanding commentary to the state of education somewhere at sometime. In my experience, one of a decent intelligence with a decent grounding in either can glean a lesson applicable to almost any situation from what they know. They aren’t as good, or traumatic, as Holy Writ, but one can do worse—and now days most people certainly do.
FWIW—as to the U.S. I consider myself someone who was steeped in the best of Redneck culture, stealing bits of other things as they came along. One could have done much worse for a high school and university education than I did, no particular credit going to myself for the minority of very good instructors at both institutions that I was blessed to first stumble across and then gorge myself upon.
(FWIW Ithaca is gorgeous—and, to drop a hint as one of the double meanings may not be obvious, that reference cuts two ways—and I’m a straight shooter in that, and so not referring to the eponymous College, to work in two even less obvious references if one wants to know about obscure things).
Peterson is wonderful for being from Toronto, but Toronto is, especially to a Hoser in Ontario, sort of like taking the worst parts of NYC, SF, Chicago, and Hollywood, and bringing them together to produce a bad version of the character played by Danny DeVito in Twins. The most that you can hope to get out of it is something like one of Schwartnegger’s best performances. Perhaps good on screen, but don’t on that basis elect him.
I’m happy enough being myself, and having had you stumble along my path to brighten my day, I think that is probably good enough. Perhaps you think that you are akin to Peterson? That wouldn’t surprise my pure-blood Norwegian great Aunt and Aunts, who would quickly jump to the conclusion that you were aspiring to be Swedish. I have no idea of Dr. Peterson’s ethnicity, but I do know what they think/thought of Swedes, and it seems to apply to you (if not to Swedes).
It’s been pun to make your acquaintance, but, to paraphrase Dawson, it is time for me to stop casting my pearls.
Tusen Takk!
No one on planet earth except for you knows who they ‘are’.
Edmonton has produced some of Canada’s most insightful bands—though they are more obscure than Great Big Sea.
“Not all these cops are bad cops (I believe the majority are OK)”
Cops are mecenaries - they’ll do whatever who pays them tells them to do.
Appreciated you prideful and again mostly irelevant post (not).
Cornell, eh?
Turned down.
Your getting better—I think you need to trim six syllables, and ideally switch to a 5-7-5 scheme
You got Cornell—good for you, and even better for all concerned if they didn’t get you.
Did you pick up on the other three references in the same sentence—Odysseus’ home town Ithaca gun, and Ithaca college? Far from being boastful, the sentence was a playful leitmotif on the term gorge in the previous sentence. Odysseus home town is hardly irrelevant to the themes of the thread, which is a sort of Odyssey in itself, and if one is mentioning Ithaca and higher education, it is at least polite to disambiguate from Ithaca College.
If Cornell opted not to get you, let me assure you there are far worse fates. I stumbled on three great profs who re-enforced the importance of thinking for one’s self (something I had picked up from three great high school teachers in a highschool that was not particularly to be celebrated for its academic achievements). The bulk of the other profs, the solid majority, were happy to serve as good to excellent conduits of standard cultural material, teaching perhaps analysis, but not truly critical thinking.
How and why I ended up going from a Red Neck (or perhaps White Trash) paradise to Ithaca and then escaping with a degree ASAP is of itself an Odyssey that I will not bore you with (if you look at the Ithaca is Evil ping list, you will find me as the lead ping—that position was not original, but when the list was somehow lost some years back, I was the first to note that it needed to be reconstructed).
I’m guessing you hail from east of Cleveland, North of D.C. and (I have no doubt of this one) South of the Great WHite North, and most likely from NY propoer. As far as bragging goes, unless you are from NY or pre-vet, Cornell is the Nations premier back-up school—something even a Redneck from Oregon knew going in. If you didn’t get in, you may very well have had to settle for your number three choice. Still, that beats being so brainwashed that you would never read FR.
Fortunately, at least some Cornellians have a decent sense of humour, and have turned out a wonderful, self-effacing piece on being a back up school that should replace the traditional alma mater. Perhaps you would find Billy Joel meets Weird Al in a context that denegrate both Ithaca, most of the rest of the Ivy League, and poking fun at those who apply to Ivy League schools all at once right up your alley—esp. if you are of a New York State of Mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Rjk1WGHp8
‘k, so you are totally misinformed on Cornell refusal, every hear of Stanford/MIT?
You’ve been to Ithica? You’ve been to Greece?
I have multiple times. But even so, again, has Nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Keep doing your ‘poetry’ for exactly what it’s worth.
but thanks for playing
FWIW—now that you’ve expanded to five lines, you may want to try working with the Limerick, which allows 34 syllables as opposed to Haiku’s 17.
Sonnets are arguably a better mode of expression with regards to most things because most things are too complext to describe accurately but quite so succinctly. 14 lines and 140 syllables allows much more to be said -but they are close to a lost art form, although my oldest boy is into them. He also, in all probability, can clean your clock in chess, even if you are a STEM guy and it is only about fifth in his priorities.
I’m glad you’ve been to Greece. Have you read the Odyssey? The Illiad? Or are you an American STEM guy who thinks that visiting a place where culture happened is the same thing as absorbing the culture.
It has been fun playing. Unless you have tech skills useful in the oil industry or mining industry, I’d bet money you’ve never been to Edmonton Moose Jaw, Moose, Factory, or the Australian interior. Moreover, I’m guessing you’d have a hard time appreciating local culture in any of these areas, and that doing so is not high on your bucket list. The attitude you expressed in your original post on this thread screams this to high heaven.
If you turned down Cornell for Stanford or MIT (I am aware that people don’t always end up at their back up school), I’m betting you went with MIT, which is a great school for professional formation, but is a bit weak on what is traditionally understood as education, which involves more than professional development.
I’ve been to Stanford—my father’s effective step father whose surname I bear as a middle name) was class of ‘37. He met his future wife (my great-Aunt) while there. However, although he married a local gal (working class Norwegian who had become a nurse), he was from an Eastern Washington farming clan. His mother was very big on education.
Perhaps being able to see the handwriting on the wall from the changing California demographic from 1925-1945, they got the hell out of California just after WWII and settled in rural Oregon, where my mother’s family already had fairly deep roots.
I never, in a million years, would have dreamed of applying to Stanford, Cal Tech, or Berkley—and Chicago as a city is too big for my taste (I didn’t know at the time that the University is effectively located in a war zone).
Yes, I have heard of MIT—but as I had no clue what to major in, I figured play it safe and go Ivy. My school had sent a (relative) boat load of folks to Harvard—one a year for a long time (I suspect they had a rural western Oregon slot that we had a death grip on). As there were three of us going for it, I more or less flipped a coin between Dartmouth and Cornell on the grounds that those were the only two that might pass for local. In hindsight, Dartmouth would have been a better fit from a human perspective—but what does a 17 year old know?
Hillsdale likely would have been a better choice, but I had never heard of it. While there is a family tradition tied to small liberal arts schools (Harvard prior to the 19th century, and a greatX5 grandfather who was on the board of Hillsdale at its foundation), that had effectively been lost long ago. My Uncle noted the Hillsdale connection after I became involved in founding a small liberal arts college—not something I had planned on doing. Dad was the first college graduate, so far as we know, in his line, ever, and my mother in hers in probably between 4-7 generations.
You should try reading Sinclair Lewis. The American character he holds up in a mirror is still around today.
I must and do admit to special enjoyment of intelligent conversation, so thanks for that. Sorry to not keep up my side, I’m not so good with keyboard talking but we could probably go a long time vis-a-vis.
However, your continued reference to lyricism without any actual display thereof is somewhat perplexing.
Your oldest son may well clean my clock at chess as I find board games boring.
We could likewise go round enjoyably sharing Ivy creds.
fwiw I have read Homer, Herodotus, Plutarch, Tacitus, etc., yes even Sinclair Lewis.
Haiku, Limerick
Poetry say much with small
but nuance no
There. My first (and likely last) Haiku dedicated to you.
Chess is different from most board game: there is no luck involved beyond being able to take advantage of one’s opponent’s mistakes and having one’s opponent miss one’s own mistakes.
I think when it comes to Ivy creds you could beat me hollow. My only claim to fame is when I figured out that Cornell was basically a displaced neighborhood of NY with shades of Boston/Philly/Berkley/San Francisco for flavouring, and that from a western perspective New Englanders are generally bat sh!t crazy, I decided that ratrher than transfer out, i’d cram four years into three and try to end up on the right side of the Mississippi ASAP. I at least met the first of the two goals.
On the other hand, when it comes to Red Neck culture, and appreciating cultural diversity in general, I suspect I have you beat. You really should try Monty Python. You could also do worse than Louis L’Amour if you want to get into the western mind, but you might find that boring.
To be honest, I have found Redneck culture more useful in many ways than what passes for Ivy League culture, at least post 1968-—while I have my beefs with Buckley, his line about the first 100 names in the Boston telephone book vs. the Harvard faculty was a good insight.
After graduating, I needed to finish paying off my student loans quickly, so I landed a full-time job in contruction along with a part-time job at the Opry (the Grand Ol’ Opry in Nashville) for 60+ hours a week—I’d spent the previous three summers with similar hours but with the full time job being in a plywood mill in Oregon. The mill went down a week after my last summer there, so it is just as well that I was shaving a year off of Cornell, which also helped to save money.
Anyway, the foreman at my construction job just out of Cornell, a former NCO who was a straight shooter, told me after my first day on the job, “I wasn’t too sure about you looking at your resume, and especially your education, but you’ll do.” One of the better compliments I’ve received in life.
Culturally, there are many sailors and backwoodsmen in my family, so the genre tends to be more to colourful stories rather than poetry. I dabbled a bit in poetry in University—but as an Econ major after Cornell’s college of Arts and Science’s had made itself the appropriate case study in Bloom’s Closing of the American Mind, last formally studied it in grade 11 and 12 at a backwoods high school.
The one poem I recall ever having written anything on was a sonnet I dug up entitled “Euclid Alone New Beauty Bare”, I believe in grade 11. I’m not sure if I still held the position at that time that I had first articulated in grade 9 that I didn’t want a liberal arts education because I had no intention of being a liberal.
Salud.
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