Posted on 10/15/2022 7:56:05 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
—> Flatly put, the Ukies are expended, over drawn, and dead beats who have never paid their bills.
+1
Let’s not send are boys to fight. It’s only are proxy war, it should end either way. What a bunch of bull. So when will the DOJ look into the Bidens and all of their dealings in Eukraine?
“It Russia versus the EU”
How can you tell NATO isn’t fighting Russia?
Because NATO tanks aren’t in Moscow.
I was trying to find how many people Russia lost to the cold in WWII but couldn’t find it.
People keep talking about Russia in WWII as though they were brilliant and great war geniuses, but in reality, they died by the tens of millions, so it seemed to be that they merely survived under an unyielding dictator.
For all we know Russia lost millions or at least many 100s of thousands to the cold.
Your point about Russians and cold not being the same for primitive outdoor working Russians of the 1930s and 40s and urban TV watching Russians of 2022 is very true.
It doesn’t matter about Ukraine. Ukraine will be ground up for proxy war against Russia. Germany will be next
A Russian man wakes up from a coma and asks what’s the news.
“We’re at war with NATO. We have lost 90,000 troops already.”
“What are the casualties of NATO?”
“They haven’t shown up yet.”
Seriously?
We’ll see how that logistics advantage works in a month or so. Russia is currently sending train loads of troops in to Belarus, not just a couple 1000. They have moved tons of gas, diesel and jet fuel to at least 3 parts of their boarder. Not sure what the Russian troop build up is, probably pretty large. Only know about the Belarus one because it was confirmed by their president. There are most likely others in Russia proper.
Let’s not count our chickens to early, this ain’t over.
Then there’s all the formerly enlisted reserves that they called up, they are all former military. Similar to our military system, you can get called back up within such a period of time. Yet the western media would have you believe, the are just general people conscripted, what BS.
Take a grain of salt, it’s looking that Russia has only started.
Please explain. I honestly don't know what you mean. TIA
If the Vindman borthers count as “our boys”, we can send them.
I’m with you on that. We already have private mercs over there. Blackwater and Xe merged. They are now Academi, a wolf in sheeps clothing. Russia is fond of targeting all the private mercs from different countries, and they have been. You won’t hear it from our media.
I expect Ukraine to fold like a cheap suit unless NATO foolishly gets involved.
Don’t assume Ukrainians will do what you would do in similar circumstances.
Both sides should be fine in the cold weather. If you have adequate winter clothing, fighting as an infantryman is actually easier in cold weather than in hot weather. It’s like playing football.
It’s not the fighting that’s hard in cold weather. It’s the living part in between. Here of course the Ukrainians are the home team and have an advantage over an Russian expeditionary force.
I would have followed Christ's admonition and counted the cost to my country before I let my countrymen be slaughtered.
But now, I expect Ukraine to fold. The only thing propping them up is $ from the US taxpayer who has no dog in this fight.
Not to worry. The T-62 is an upgraded T-55. It is armed with a smooth bore 115mm gun so nine of the ammo from T-72/80/90s is useable. Like the tank, all it’s ammo has been in cold storage too, so I doubt it has kept its ginger. Ammo degrades over time. 61 years in storage is a long time.
The other reason tank crews won’t need heat, is they will be destroyed in short order. The 62 doesn’t have the defensive armament it’s successors have and they he’s been proven to be totally ineffective against today’s man pads.
Do russians possess some sort of natural immunity to freezing? There are plenty of photos from WWI and WWII showing inadequately supplied russian troops with black, frozen hands and feet. I don’t think troops being told to supply their own battle dressings will get much in the way of cold weather gear. The Ukrainians probably won’t be as surprised by winter as the Germans and French were.
The problem isn't going to be moving stuff to the border - the problem is going to be getting it from the border distributed to frontline units inside Ukraine. A hostile country, bad weather, no air superiority, etc..
And then what happens if they decide they need to shift troops across that front? Trying to reposition all those troops and supplies from Belarus to the Donbass, or Donbass to Kherson, etc., means moving those troops, equipment, and supplies along x peria lines of communication hundreds or even thousands of miles, in terrible weather. And then when they finally start to set up distribution points within Ukraine itself, they'll get nailed from HIMARs. Those logistics would be a nightmare.
Then there’s all the formerly enlisted reserves that they called up, they are all former military. Similar to our military system....
Their military reserve system isn't remotely like ours. They have nothing comparable to our established reserved system, and these guys they've called up wouldn't even qualify as IRR in the U.S.. This is 42 year old Sergei who works at a gas station and hasn't seen military service for 20 years. These aren't guys who have been guys reporting to reserve centers for monthly or even annual training.
Hell, the vast majority of these guys were one year conscripts, and we don't even have those in the U.S.. The absolute minimum you can serve in the US military is 2 years, and even that is unusual. Most terms of enlistment are for at least three or four years.
Also, considering the past practices of the Russian army, the vast majority of those one year conscripts would have seen combat anyway. As in most armies, the vast majority of them wouldn't even have been infantry. They have been truck drivers, cooks, radio men, etc., for one year, a decade or more ago. And now, they're going to be handed old/inadequate equipment, and stuffed into the front lines as line infantry.
I mean...good luck, because they are going to need it.
They are pulling T-62s out of 50 years of cold storage. I wonder how many will have working crew heaters after all this time. It gets real cold in a tank without a working heater!
Everything sellable has not doubt been stripped off those military antiques.
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