Posted on 10/14/2022 5:11:27 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
Even the solutions turn into problems for Vladimir Putin in Ukraine — big problems. Less than a month after announcing a “partial” mobilization, Russian conscripts have entered into combat in Luhansk. And it appears that they are exiting almost as quickly, provoking even more backlash from nationalist milbloggers who are increasingly balking at Putin’s propaganda.
The Ukrainians reported their arrival in combat areas yesterday. Serhii Haidai, the top military official in Luhansk Oblast, claimed that the first conscript wave consisted mainly of ex-convicts:
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The Russian milbloggers didn’t take long to confirm the arrival of conscripts — and to complain about what happened next. ISW picked up on their chatter about the rapid demise of these untrained troops and their unhappiness with the chain of command:
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Putin may have hoped that the conscription — a much-demanded action from nationalists — would convince them to stick to the Kremlin’s talking points. However, that ignores a reality that matters even in authoritarian systems, including in Russia’s imperial/inferiority-complex culture. When dead bodies come back from the front, families and communities start asking questions. When those dead bodies belong to conscripted-by-force family members, questions aren’t the only thing raised.
ISW notes that nationalist milbloggers have begun to read that writing on the wall as well:
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Exactly like this.
Bill Kristol as a board member means nothing.
Alko-mobiks pressed to the front with no training, no equipment and no commanding officers turn out to be nothing but meat for the grinder - who would have guessed?
Yeh. He writes them on toilet paper and hands them around
Just a coincidence that neocon trash like you love the ISW
The short term problem for Russia is they have found themselves at a numerical disadvantage on both the Kherson and Kharkiv fronts and as a result have been steadily pushed back.
They need bodies, any bodies, in the front lines now.
I’m sick of our Biden crime family boot licking trolls on this forum pushing this war. I’m sick of being called a putinista for knowing we can’t afford the cost and Ukraine can’t supply enough boots. One simple question, if Ukraine is winning why is Brandon and his supporters (yea looking at you pro war freepers) pushing a draft to enter it when victory is so close?
I love these Ukie propaganda articles!
And even more than that, I love the breathless posting of these Ukie propaganda articles by Zeepers, who automatically believe every sentence !
Those who are doing that are members, or satellite members, of the Ukrainian propaganda sites - they recruit people to do what we’re seeing happen here on FR. It’s rough seeing this happen on FR but then certain folks have only tunnel vision and easily identified as they are an echo chamber among themselves and we see that in their posts.
Why do they call reserve units conscripts?
Were these reserve units like our Reserves and Guard which go through full active training and then serve in units that train monthly and yearly?
Or are these draftees and guys who pulled a hitch sometime during their lifetime and are being drafted back into active duty?
Well some believe they have a mission to spread the propaganda they’re fed. .....so it gets slathered here on FR. Interesting is often times three or four articles appear one after the other by certain posters..... They think they’re informing us when in fact they really are just spreading what they’re getting from the Ukrainian propaganda machinery and simply do not have the ability to discern any of it.
They are mostly former conscripts whose only experience is on the parade ground. No combat experience and now they’re thrown under Ukrainian guns mere days after mobilizing. It’s cold blooded murder. This is not super power behavior by Russia, obviously, and reeks of desperation.
Are you “sick” of the Biden Crime Family partnering with Putin to nuke up Iran? I am. You should be, too.
Trash it all you want, fact it, ISW has been very good.
In fact there are who systems in Russia
One is a BARS reserve which is similar (although not identical) to the American system and another is that you described, but the latter are called once in 3-5 years for a couple months to refresh their skills.
Yep, right, everybody in the Polish military is a seasoned veteran with history of multiple deployments.:)
That post was rather evasive but I think you are conceding that these draftees are not serving in what we consider reserve units at all.
Our Reserves and Guard were fully trained active, and then stay well trained by serving in units that train monthly, and annually, with lots of travel and overseas training if required, many of which serve in civilian versions of their military duties, such as medical fields and hospitals, running cities and city systems (to repair and operate a foreign city infrastructure during war).
We maintain Airborne units, SEALs, Green Berets, Rangers, Armor units, Air National Guard units.
Russia seems to be just drafting people.
Not evasive. BARS are volunteers training at the base on weekends and hold annual field drills for 20-45 days. Many of them are already in Ukraine and show themselves well.
As for the rest, most of the called are recent dmbs, mostly with history of deployment.
I wouldn’t call them draftees, because if you were in you will remember the drills until the end of your days. They still undergo training with recent veterans and rebels to take into account the pecularities of this exact conflict.
If one was to Syria it is a good thing but where they spend most of the time behind the wire, maybe seen the enemy twice per deployment, called airstrikes on him and were done with it. Ukraine is a little bit different.
“”Why do they call reserve units conscripts?””
Old men who pulled a hitch when young and then are drafted in their 40s and 50s, and sent to a battle zone are not what we would describe as the calling up of “Reserve Units”, and that is supported by those draftees being interchangeable with the non-prior service draftees and all of them being sent to the front without all the equipment, gear, and training that they would have if they were in a “Reserve Unit”.
You were trying to convince the audience here that “Reserve Units” were merely being sent to active duty, something they were used to seeing in our American Reserve/Guard system in recent decades.
You are attributing me things I didn’t say. I perfectly explained why you are wrong in a prior exchange.
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