Case in point:
Posted on 10/01/2022 8:17:36 AM PDT by jimjohn
“..Let me answer his question. Let me be clear: The United States categorically denies any involvement in this incident, and we reject any assertions saying the contrary…” - U.S. deputy ambassador Richard Mills (9/30/2022).
Well, that took long enough and the finger pointing continues. Soon as word got out that high explosives were used to destroy Nordstream 1 & 2, NATO nations were quick to point the finger eastward towards global enemy #1 – Vladimir Putin; citing less evidence than there was for proving election fraud in the 2020 election. In fact, all the allegations from the west so far are merely allegations.
But Mr. #46 (the walking, talking justification for the 25th Amendment) says, we’ll know more once divers get to the scene of the crime and gather evidence. Perhaps he’ll send the same team that investigated the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant shelling. No matter. I propose a solution to determine who was actually behind this incident (i.e. act of war).
To Russia: Make a public offering to Germany to repair the pipelines - together. Set a timeline for when the pipes can resume operation, then offer the natural gas from the pipelines at no cost for a limited time period.
Then watch who screams the loudest. That’ll be your culprit.
Once this offer is made, it would be wise for the western war-hawks to a) stay away from twitter and b) keep #46 away from a microphone until November 9th.
As for the Germans, NATO and EU notwithstanding, they should make a public statement considering joining the BRICS alliance, then meet with a few of their officials. Use the cover ‘to help pay for the pipeline repairs and other resources to keep them warm and functioning over the winter’. Now, this may appear to be an unrealistic expectation, but the German people may find this as welcome news. Could keep the angry crowds from the Brandenburg, or at least reduce the number. And if The Deutschland decided to join the Russians on pipeline repairs, they should cash in any U.S. Treasury notes or bearer bonds they may be holding to help cover the cost; and make that a public statement as well.
Wanna see heads explode?
Don’t think this is too far-fetched. In case you missed this little tidbit in the recent news-whirlwind, the last Ukrainian request for German weapons was denied, as I suspect the Germans had already been getting cold-feet about this whole western money-pit called Ukraine that can easily turn into the latter chapters of the Book of Ezekiel.
So while we here in the good ol’ USA are busy pointing fingers, the primary concern on this matter should be “who do the affected parties suspect in this act of war, and how will they respond?”
… or perhaps more focus on protecting our own border instead of a border thousands of miles away.
Germany, Russia: The ball’s in your court. Choose wisely.
Just my $0.02
“To Russia: Make a public offering to Germany to repair the pipelines - together. Set a timeline for when the pipes can resume operation, then offer the natural gas from the pipelines at no cost for a limited time period.
Then watch who screams the loudest. That’ll be your culprit.
Once this offer is made, it would be wise for the western war-hawks to a) stay away from twitter and b) keep #46 away from a microphone until November 9th. “
So, if the offer isn’t made that means Russia did it?
And btw, there’s no 46th president.
The ball is in whose court?? All the evidence points to the Biden administration. Biden’s pipeline destruction statement of record in February and also Nuland’s for starters. Certainly Russia has deniability as they just spent a fortune to build #2, and were currently selling to EU through #1. They controlled the on/off valve so why destroy??? The pipelines gave them great control over Europe.
And then there is today’s statement: https://www.rt.com/news/563861-blinken-nord-stream-opportunity/
And there is more that points to our government as the perps.
Biden is China’s puppet - China benefits greatly from eliminating competing demand for Russian gas it needs - China benefits geopolitically from strife among US/NATO/Russia - China would never risk being caught red-handed committing sabotage on infrastructure, that’s what puppets are for.
How does this latest use of US special forces ‘taste’, within the military? Let us hope there is a viable back-channel between the battle commands of the US and Russia, because there may be no other way out of this.
So tell me, what gas or liquid freezes above 32 Deg F?
An explosion due to overpressure caused by chemicals mixing, I can buy that.
Contaminants solidifying and causing a blockage? Sure.
Freezing? No.
Case in point:
Once again, I ask a simple question:
If you were deliberately trying to destroy America, would you do anything differently than Joe Biden?
Obvious answer: NO.
And therein is all I need to ask about whether or not Biden (or the REAL pResident Ron Klain) ordered the Nordstream 1&2 gas lines blown up: OF COURSE HE DID.
It's all about destroying America.
Carry on.
Monkey Werx tracked a USN P8 Poseidon sub hunter over the area at the time of the explosions. First link is the entire vid, second is a fast forward to the segment of interest (ignore the audio glitch).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfpw9I01J0o
https://youtu.be/Jfpw9I01J0o?t=663
Probably just a coincidence.
The Russians built it in the first place. Then they handed it over to Germany.
Russia wants to pump Ukrainian gas to Turkey or Iran. The Ruskies will tell Germany it’s their problem.
Wrong question. Wikipedia has a small phase diagram for methane hydrates under differing pressures and temperatures.
Maybe it's not out of the question that these failed under conditions of deferred maintenance. Still think that the prime suspect is Brandon, but this idea may not be utterly impossible.
I believe the comely Georgia in Italy should watch her back for a color revolution foisted by the same globalist who brought about euromaiden and keep this stupid war going and threaten western civilization as we know it wishing to replace it with a new world order stateless with a new woke man subject to what trump calls deep state and their edicts to create a new dependent citizen brimming with equity and lack of want or ambition and preferably neutered males and non white majorities
That some here have sided with them is sickening
The “west” is hell bent on committing civilizational suicide. No doubt in my mind it was one of the greentopia NATO members.
troll
And from whence to you get your “information” on special operations? Claims of special operations are no more than speculation as there is utterly no evidence to support your assertion.
Absent a pipeline pressure failure, I can’t see anything freezing in the pipeline. FYI, I am not a chemical engineer or anything, but I have conducted tests at NASA with Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Helium, running pressure tests with those cryogens.
The ocean water at the depth is probably in the mid-40s. Even if it was in the mid-30s, it wouldn’t freeze water in the pipeline.
If any gas was flowing, the friction would try to heat the flowing medium. I have seen video of LN2 turning solid when a Vacuum was applied to it. The vacuum raised temperature at which the LN2 would turn solid.
I don’t know the temperature and pressure at which Methane would become solid (not liquid, solid). But I can’t imagine it being above 32 F.
That pipeline would cold soak the gas and eventually the pipeline temperature and the gas temperature would reach an equilibrium.
Maybe there are orifices in the pipeline for flow measurement and the methane experiences expansion cooling and there was enough water in the Methane to freeze at the orifice points. That would mean a pipeline leak with water mixing with Methane.
My Occam’s Razor sense tells me Biden ordered them destroyed.
I agree that it’s probably Brandon, BUT if that phase diagram is correct, solid methane hydrates could certainly form in the pipe.
It’s not that the methane changes phase, it’s that methane and water will form solid precipitates under the right conditions. The stuff is all over the sea floor, so we know the pressure and temp can be right for these compounds to form.
Looks like a viable possiblility.
Powell forgot to include drawings of fishes in the picture. How do his listeners know that he is talking about an underwater pipeline? How does he, himself, know? Why should an underwater line have pipe supports? It is usually rolled off a ship. I bet his listeners were impressed, especially because of the way Putin was depicted. And the burning wick is soooo scary.
I take it that you did not believe the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax perpetrated by the NSA regarding Trump, either.
You’re a man of little faith /s
>>My Occam’s Razor sense tells me Biden ordered them destroyed.<<
AOC, John Kerry and other climate change ghouls were the Biden whisperers.
I finally get a little traction on folks here considering an alternative theory of an event that nobody is working from a position of facts, and could easily be this generation's Gulf of Tonkin incident to drag us into the next two decades of pointless war.... and this is the thanks I get.
Time will tell... or it won't. Like i mentioned earlier, our provable facts are slim, the Russians have no incentive to share derogatory information that they had a blockage and screwed up recovering from it, and sabotage can look a whole lot like poor decisionmaking. The Russians/Soviets long have had terrible service records because while often quite smart, their scientists and engineers were frequently overruled at key points by political expediency and their technicians were discouraged from critical thinking and frequently drunk.
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